American History X- The mind of a racist

Ratna
Ratnakar Sadasyula   | Movies | June 9, 2009 at 4:28 am


Rosa sat so Martin could walk, Martin walked so Barack could run, Barack ran so we all can fly.

The  above  is  a  quote  that  has  been  making  the  rounds  of  the  Net, ever  since  Barack  Obama   became  the  first  non White  person  to enter  into  the  hallowed  precincts  of  1600,  Pennsylvania  Avenue  or  what we better  know  as  the  White House.  

Rosa  Parks  and Martin Luther King

Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King

 The reference  of  course  is  here  to  Rosa  Parks  the  woman  who  refused  to  vacate her  seat  in  a  racially  segregated  bus  in  Montogomery,  Alabama,  an  incident  when  taken  in  context,    is  as  significant  as  Mahatma  Gandhi’s  refusal  to  vacate  his  seat  in  a first  class compartmen  in  S.Africa,  and  his  being  thrown  out  of  the  train  at  Pietermartizburg   station.    Rosa   was  later  a key  figure  in  the  Civil  rights  moment  led  by  Martin  Luther  King Jr,  and  the  rest  as  we  say  is  history.

 

 

“I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men  are  created  equal.”-Martin Luther King  Jr  in  his  famous  I have a  dream speech.

I have a Dream speech

I have a Dream speech

For  a  nation   that  was  founded  on  the  premise  of   “All men are created equal”   and   being  led  by  a  “Government  of  the people,  for  the people  and  by  the  people”,  the  US   for  a  greater  part  of   its  history  had  to  deal  with  discrimination  and  racism  be  it  the  treatment of  Native  Indians,  the  slavery  system  in  the  South  and  the  segregation of  the  blacks   from  the  white  population  in  the  early  half  of  the  20th  century. 

Racism  has not  just  been a  question of   Black  and  White  in  US.   Jews, Irish,  Italians,  Poles,  Asians   have  all  suffered  from  racism  in one  way or  another.  And  significantly  the  racism  issue  came  whenever  there  was a  large  migration  of   people  from  other  nations,  into  the  US.  For  centuries  the  US  of  A  has  been  and  still  is  a  becaon  for  immigrants all  over  the  world.   Some  came  to  escape  political  persecution,  some  came  to  escape  the  poverty  in  their  native lands,  some   came  for  bettter opportunities.  In  effect  that  made  the  US,  one  of   the  most  diverse   nations  on  Earth.  But  the  diversity   was  something  achieved  at a  great   cost.  Every  time  a  new  race  started  to  arrive  in hordes,  people   started   to  exploit   the  “outsider  syndrome”,   or  in  more  simpler  terms  “see  these dirty  scum  of  earth,  they  are  here  to  steal  our jobs,  our  hapiness,  our  peace,  drive  them  out”.   The  Irish  experienced  it  when  they  migrated  in  hordes  during  the  potato famine  that  impoverished   Ireland,   at  the  turn  of  the  century  it  was  the  Italians  and  Poles   who  experienced  hostility,  later  it  was  the  Chinese  who  arrived  in  vast  numbers  on  the  West  Coast  as  cheap  labor  for  the  construction  of  the  great  rail roads.   In  most  of  these  cases,  it   was   this  fear  of  being  swamped  by  “outsiders”   that  gave  rise  to  racist  attacks.  The  biggest  irony  is  that   those  “natives”   who  were  screaming  hoarse about  being  displaced  by  “outsiders”,  were  themselves   descendants  of   immigrants  who  displaced  the  native  Indian  tribes.

The  racism  towards  blacks   however   had a  different  hue,  here  it  was  not   the  fear  of  “outsiders”   taking  over  us.   It   was  a  belief  that  blacks  were  meant  to be  slaves   and  not  good  for  anything  else.   Or  more  specifically   blacks  were  sub  human  races, ”people  of low  character  who  cast  lustful  glances  at  white  women,  scum  who  indulged  in  robbery, murder  and  arson”.   Or  as  the  popular  saying  went  “The only good black  man  was a  dead one”.   Civil  war  and  Lincoln’s  abolition of  Slavery  did  little  to  improve  their  conditions.   The  terrible  segregation  faced by  blacks  in  the  Southern  states,  the  mass lynchings,  public  hangings  by kangaroo  courts,  the  rise of  the Klan   were  a painful  era  in  American  history.  The  civil  rights  movement  in  the  60’s,   went  a  long  way,  in  addressing  the  issues  of  black  discrimination. 

In  contemporary  US,  segregation  has  become  a thing of  the  past.  Where  riots   broke  out  in  1900,  when  Teddy  Roosevelt,   invited  a black educator,  Booker T  Washington, to  the  White  House,  today  a Non  White  American  of  mixed  origins  occupies  the  Oval  Office.   Blacks  have  made  a name  for  themselves  as   sportsmen,  movie  stars,  musicians,  artistes,  writers  and  even  businessmen.  But  has   racism  totally  disappeared  from  US?   While    racially  segregated  spaces  do  not  exist,  and  more  blacks  are a  part  of   the  mainstream,   the  fault  lines  still  do  exist.   It  bursts  out   at  times  like  during   the  1992  LA  Riots   or  the   aftermath  of  Hurricane  Katrina,  where  blacks  complained  of   discrimination,  during relief  operations.   While  the  Klan  has  gone  underground,  there  are  still  a large  number  of   White  supremacist,  Neo  Nazi  organizations,  which  dream   of   re establishing  White  supremacy   again. 

ahxIt  is  these issues   which  are  explored  in   American  History X,  a look  at  racism  in  contemporary  American  society.   The  background   here  is  not  a  remote   Southern   town  in  Missisippi  or  Alabama,  dominated by  rednecks.   Rather   it   is  the   Venice  Beach  suburb  of   Los Angeles,   a  place  having  a  diverse   population.  And  Derek  Vinyard(  Ed  Norton),  is  not   your  average  ignorant  redneck.  Rather   he   is  well  educated,  working   but  his   racist  ideology  is  of  a different  hue  altogether.   California  for  long   has  a  reputation  of   being  the  most  “liberal”  state  in   US,   and   also  a  state   where  the  non  White  population  , notably  Asian and  Latinos,  are  more  than  the  White Caucasian populations.   The  time  period  too  is  contemporary,  the  90’s, not   the   50’s  and  60’s,  where  segregation   was  rife. 

So  what  makes   Derek   the   racist,  white  supremacist?  Why  is  some one  growing   up  in  a  “liberal”   environment,  along  with  other  races,   believe  so   deeply   in   White  supremacy?    Contrary   to  assumptions,   not  every  racist,  is  an  ignorant,  red  necked, bible  thumping,  Southerner   who  believes  that  blacks, Jews,  Catholics  should  be  exterminated.   There  are people  like  Derek,  whose  racism  stems  from  the  fear   of   being  swamped  by  outsiders.   Derek’s   belief  in  racism,  also  stems   from   his   family  environment.   His  father,a  fire  fighter,   was   in  a way  responsible  for  his   thought  process.   The  most  significant  scene  in  the  movie  is  the  news  clipping  where  Derek  is  interviewed  after  his  father  is  shot  dead,  while  putting  out   a  fire  in a  run  down  neighborhood,  notorious  for  its  drug  gangs.  

 Every problem in this country is “race” related. Every problem, not just crime. These problems are rooted in the black community, the Hispanic community, the Asian…every non-Protestant group in our society.    Look at the shit. Immigration…welfare…AIDS…they’re all the  problems of the non-white. Look at  the statistics.

Again  Derek’s   thinking  here  is  like  that  of  any  average  individual.  The  country  is  beset   with  problems,  needing  a  solution,  so  what  to do.  Take  the  easy  way  out.   Find  some  one  to  blame  it  on.   And  in  this  case  its  the  “others”.    Hitler  blamed  the  Jews  for  Germany’s  defeat  in  WW1   and   its  economic  misery,  back home  MNS-Shiv  Sena  blames  North  Indian  immigrants  for  the  problems   Mumbai  faces. It  is  much  easy  to   blame  some  one for  a  problem,  and  then  assuming kicking them out  would  solve  it.   So throw out  all  Bhaiyyas  from  Mumbai,  and  it  would  be  a clean and green  place  with  no  crime,  kick  out  all  Latinos  from  US,   and  there  would  be  no  drug  problems,  throw  out  all Muslims  and  terrorism  is  eradicated   presto.  

The  other  catalyst   for  Derek’s  thought  process  is  personal.  Quite  often  its   human  tendency,  you  have  a  couple  of   nasty  encounters,  with  people  of  “X”  community,  so  all  people  of   that  community  are  nasty.  Being  a  Telugu  person,  i  get  those  jibes,  “You gulti  guys  gang up  together  and  dont  let   others   join  a  company”,    replace  Gulti  with  Mallu,  Tam,  Bhaiyyas  and   the  tenor  is  same,  “I had  a bad  experience  with  A,   he/ she  belongs  to  X community,  so  all members  of   X  community  are  bad”.   In  this   case   Derek’s   father   was   shot  dead  by  couple  of  Black  youths,  in  that  neighbourhood,  and  that  only  further  deepens  his  hatred.

Because my father was doing his  fucking job! Saving a nigger  neighborhood he didn’t give two shits  about! And he got killed by some drug  dealer who still collects a fucking welfare check.

The  racism  of  people  like  Derek  is   more  scary   than   that  of  an  ignorant   redneck   you  would  encounter  in  the  Deep  South.  Because  Derek   is   some  one  who  could   as  well  be  your  neighbour,  and  unlike  the  person  in  the  Deep  South,   Derek’s   racism  stems  not  from  ignorance, but   from   knowledge,  or   more  specifically  half  knowledge.   Try   reasoning   with  a  person  who  goes  on a  rant  against  “X”  community,    and   the  response  is  “You  cant  face  the  truth,  it  always  hurts”.   More  likely   what  is  being  given  is  the  half  truth.   So  statistics  on  Blacks   being  involved  in  crime,  are  taken  as  the  basis  for   “All blacks  are  criminals”   or   statistics  on  illegal  immigration  become  the  foundation  for  “All  Hispanics  are  illegal  immigrants,  who  breed  like rabbits,  and  steal  our  jobs”. 

Derek  also  thrives  on   having  the  power,  as a  white  supremacist  member.   The  power   which  makes  him  a  kind  of   hero  for  the  people  around  him.   His   kid  brother   Danny(  Edward  Furlong)   who   totally   hero  worships   him,   his  ditzy  girlfriend  Stacy (  Fairuza  Balk)  and   his  loser  friend  Seth   who  keeps  hanging  on   with  Derek.  Derek   in  turn  idolizes   Cameron  Alexander,   a   40  plus  leader  of a   white  supremacist  gang,   who  mentors  Derek.    Cameron,   is  a kind  of   hero   to  people  like  Derek,   some   one   who  defends  them  from  the  Black  and  Latino gangs  in  that  neighborhood.  In  one  way  its  a  question  of   gang  identity,  and  another  way   its  a  question  of   race  identity.   In  the  same  way,  people  consider   Arun  Gawli,  as  a hero,  because  he  stood  up  to  the  “Muslim”  mafia   gangs  of  Dawood   Ibrahim.    Cameron  in  turn  uses  Derek’s  oratory  skills  and   gift   for  rabble  rousing  to  the  best   effect.   He  circulates   the   video  tapes  of  Derek’s   interview   to  other  hate groups,  as  a  kind  of  motivational  tool,   or   as   Dr.  Sweeney,  the  black  principal  of   Danny’s   high  school   says  a  “Gettysburg  Address  for  all  hate  groups”.   Derek   takes   pleasure   in  his  heroism,   which  include   assaulting  a   Korean  store  owner,  and    challenging  black  players in  basketball  games.   The  basketball  court  becomes   a  venue  for  the  race  games  played  out  by  Derek,  to  show  off   their  supremacy.

While   Danny   is   impressionable,  and  easily  swayed  by  what  he  considers   as   Derek’s   “heroism”,  Seth  who  is a  total  slob  and loser,  hangs  around  with  Derek,   to  take a  kind  of  vicarious  delight  in  Derek’s   heroics.   Seth  is   even  more  racist  than  Derek,  for  him  racism  is  a way  of  overcomming  his  inferiority  complex,   of  not  being  good  at  any thing.    The  only  sane  persons  seem  to be  Derek’s   helpless  mother  Doris,  who  is  unable  to  prevent  her  son’s  slide  into  bigotry,   and   his  sister   Davina,  who  hates   their  bigoted  views.   For  her  Seth  is  no better  than  a “loser  Nazi  scumbag”.   Derek’s  blind   racist  rage  hits  the  peak,  when   he  brutally   kills  a  black  person,  attempting  to  steal  his  car,  in one  of  the  most  violent  scenes  ever.   He  is  unrepentant  about  what  he  has  done,   and  goes  to  prison  like  a hero.  And   which  is  another  facet  of   racism,  most  of   the   times   racists,  have  no  qualms  about  what  they  do.

ahx1While   American  History  X   scores   overwhelmingly  in   the  scenes  which   explore   Derek’s   descent   into  racism,   culminating  in  the  horrifying  scene,  where  he  stomps  the  black  guy  to  death on  the kerb,  it   was   Derek’s   transformation  from  a  rabble  rouser  racist  to  some  one   disillusioned   with   his   ways,   that    seemed  a  bit  too  easy  and  simplistic  for  me.   The  scenes  are  well  shot,   but   the  sequence  is   totally  predictable.    So   you  know  that  Derek,  is  going  to  join  up  the  Aryan  Brotherhood,  and  he  is  going  to  feel  cheated,  by  the  gang’s   dealings.    Add   in   a  prison  rape  in  the  shower,   some  brutal  assault  sequences,   your  friendly   Black  character Lamont,   and    a   bit  of   preaching   from  Sweeney,   and   we  have  Derek   turning  a new  leaf.   Some  how   this  transformation  part  seemed  way  too  convenient.    The  post  transformation  part  is  a mixed   bag  again.   Derek  comes  out  of  prison  a reformed   man,   but  now  the  poison  of  racism,  has  got  into  his  brother  Danny.   For  long  Danny,  had  idolized  his  brother,  and  now  he  has   totally  imbued  that  racist  ideology.

In  one  of  the  earlier  memorable   scenes,   Danny  is  asked  to  explain  his  essay  on   Mein  Kampf,   by  his  school’s   principal   Dr. Sweeney  and  his   Jewish  history  teacher  Murray,  where  he  comes  out  with  the  assertion of   Hitler  being  a  Civil  rights  icon.   Something  which  prompts  Dr.Sweeney  to   give  him  a   history  lesson  in  whats  actually  happening,  or    what   he  calls  as  “American  History X”.    Danny   however   is  too  deep   in to  the  racist  thought  process,   as   we  see  by  his  VO,  where  he  repeatedly   blames  the  Asians,  Latinos,  Blacks  for   whats  happening  in  the  nation.   And  now  it is  Derek’s    turn   to   purge  the  poison  from  his brother’s  mind,   the   poisonous  seed  which  he  had  planted   here.   Derek   has   to  turn  away  from   his  racist  past,  from  Cameron,  Stacy,  Seth  people   whom  he  hung  around   with.   And   most  important   he   has  to  make   sure   that   his  brother   does  not    go  down  the  same  path  of  self  destruction  he  had.

American   History  X,  is  not  a  perfect   movie.    As  i  had  mentioned  earlier,  the   transformation  of    Derek,  is   a tad  too  convenient.  And  while   the  scenes  where  Derek   tries to  disown   his  legacy  of  racism  and hate,   as  well  as  the  scenes  where  he  confronts  his   previous  gang members   are  well  shot,  the  scene  where  he  thrashes  Cameron  is  pretty much  brutal,   there  seems  to be  an  attempt   to  portray  him  in a  totally white  shade,  as  opposed  to  his greyish  shade.   Also  while  characters of  Derek  and  Danny  are  well  developed,  most  of   the  other  supporting  acts,   are   the  kind  of   seen  that  already.   The  good  hearted friendly  Black   guy,   the  helpless  mother,   the  more  liberal  minded  sister  and  the  loser  friend.     But  in  spite  of  its   flaws,   i  would  still  rate  this  as one  of    the   best  movies  on  racism.    As  a movie  it  does  hit  you  hard,  as  it  forces  us   to  take  a look  at  ourselves,   our    views,  our  prejudices.   Derek   could  be  us,    it  need  not  necessarily  be   Venice  Beach,  it  could  be   some  one  sitting  in  Goregaon   who  idolizes  Raj  Thackeray  as a hero,  or  the  Indians   idolizing  Hitler  as  a hero,   or  those  who  believe  Muslims are  scum  needing  to  be  kicked  out  of  the  country. 

American   History  X  is  not  an  easy  movie  to  watch,  apart  from  the  continous  shifting  between  flashbacks  in  B&W   to  the  present  day,  some  of   the  scenes  do  make  you  flinch,  especially  Derek’s  violent  assault on  a  black  person.   But  as  a  movie  it  makes  you  question  your  views on  “race”  and  “heroism”.   It  is  a movie  that  does  raise a  lot  of   uncomfortable  questions,  of   why  racism  is  still prevalent, why  do people  of  one  skin  color  hate  those  of  another  one.   And  add  to  it,  a superlative  performance by  Ed  Norton,  as  Derek,   brilliantly  capturing  the  transition  from  a   racist  white supremacist  to  a repentant  ex con,  who  has  to  stop  his  brother  from  heading  down  the  same  self  destructive  path.    Watch  the  maniacal  expression  in  his  eyes  after  he clobbers  the   black guy  to  death,  scary.  And  yet  you  see  his  vulnerability  and   sensitivity  in  the  scenes,  where  he  tries  to  convince  his  brother  to  abandon  the  path.  

American  History  X  is  a movie  that  holds  up  a mirror  to the ugly  racism  prevalent  in us.  Its  not  a pretty picture,  but  its  something  we can’t  choose  to ignore.

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26 Comments

  1. Debarun Sarkar Debarun Sarkar says:

    It’s one of my favorite films of all time, had watched it at a time when i was very intrigued about the concept of Neo-Nazism

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  2. Sridhar Mayur Sridhar Mayur says:

    Made me think…Well timed and a good post bro. Did you experience anything like this in your US trip? Whose the director of the movie?

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  3. jaiganesh jaiganesh says:

    I absolutely love the ‘no holds barred’ way in which Americans discuss their racial problems in movies, songs and drama and debate and bring things to a closure. What more superior purpose can art serve than this? We ought to learn from this and start focusing on our issues meaningfully through free art than sweeping things under a carpet.
    As far as the movie’s convenient transformations go, that was an understandable compromise – the characters have been created occupying some positions which are so stiff, the point was to see the reaction from them if Derek changed his mind. How he changed his mind is a secondary consideration for the plot. If we build up too much into how he changed his mind, then the actual drama around Derek’s brother and the school principal and Cameron will lose the screen time and space. So I would tend to forgive the simplistic nature of such transformations shown on screen.
    Really good post on a really good movie!!
    Keep it coming Ratna – diamond of a post this one.

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  4. @ Debarun

    On Neo Nazism, check out Romper Stomper, one of Russel Crowe’s early Oz movies, which has him starring as a skin head. Really hard hitting, and considering the attacks recently in Oz, this is a movie worth re visiting.

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  5. @ VPJ

    Racism as an issue has been dealt with in many movies like To Kill a Mockingbird, The Defiant Ones, A Time to Kill, The Mississippi Burning, but where most of these movies concentrated on the Deep South, and earlier eras, for me American History X was significant, because it looked at racism from a more contemporary view, or wat u say the racist undercurrents in US society.
    ..
    I take your point about Derek’s transformation, as i had mentioned, the flaws can be overlooked for the movie at the end of the day, does make you think and take a look at yourself. Another excellent scene i loved in the movie was the dinner table one, where Derek’s father, rails against the minorities and affirmative action. That scene shows how Derek’s ideology was influenced right at an early age.

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  6. Magik Magik says:

    very detailed post. just to mention, manish acharya’ loins of punjab dealt with reverse racism.

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  7. Praveen Praveen says:

    You did a good job in doing a deeper look at the problem of racism with the movie in the background.. This was needed at this time of racial unrest..
    Wish more people saw this wonderful film ..

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  8. Debarun Sarkar Debarun Sarkar says:

    @Ratnakar
    Thanks for the advice. Will check it out

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  9. bipin bipin says:

    @ ratnakar

    brilliant post bro. this is easily one of my fave movies. I watched every movie of Ed norton after this one – he was just brilliant. yes, it does make you think about so many race related issues when watching and also after watching.

    * the dinner table sequence with derek’s dad.
    * the sequence of TV interview after his dad dies.
    * the table sequence when he rips apart his mom’s boyfriend.
    * of course the maniacal sequence of kicking the black guys face on the curb( I twitch everytime I watch it)
    * the basket ball game scene
    * the voiceover through the entire movie.
    * the prison scenes, gym, shower and hospital

    man… this is one seriously good f**in movie !!!

    A must watch for anyone , who has not watched it..

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  10. Arthi V Arthi V says:

    Liked the way you’ve threaded different parts of racism to the film Ratnakar. Tx…

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  11. This movie had an enormous impact on me.
    I watched it in college with a white friend of mine and after the show we were speechless for at least an hour.
    The movie was directed by Tony Kaye who had such a bad experience working with Edward Norton that he has never made a feature since. Allegedly Ed Norton went out of this way to break the guy’s career.
    That curbin scene was one of the most shocking back in the day, especially the details in which it has been shot.
    when the black dude puts his teeth on the curb, you can actually see the teeth making little scratches on the curb when he’s opening his mouth.
    And the way Edward Norton walks to the cops, the swagger and cockniess is something I have seen in many skin heads and racists.
    It’s a alot about pride, they feel they have lost it and want to regain it.
    That goes pretty much for everybody that’s a conservative. These guys jsut take a step further.

    I just feel bad that my favorite scene got copied in Shootout at Lokhandwala by Vivek Oberoi of all people.
    We went from one of the most gruesome scenes of it’s days to a head and shoulders commercial for an arrogant prick that wants to rejuvenite his career…
    I guess that says it all in so many ways…

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  12. @ Yunus

    Tony Kaye was not happy with the final cut of the movie, he had intended it to be shorter, but it ended up much longer than he had liked. Also he was not happy with some of the more melodramatic scenes. BTW, Ed Norton does have a reputation of interfering in scripts, it came to fore again during The Hulk, where he re wrote the script.
    ..
    But while Norton and Kaye, had their differences, i am not sure if he was instrumental in destroying the latter’s career. Kaye has a reputation of being an oddball, eccentric, and a difficult guy to get along with. I think Kaye’s career was destroyed in Hollywood, mainly due to the fact that he took on New Line. There was this incident where he tried to get American History X removed from Toronto Film Fest, and then his repeated attempts to remove his name from the credits, that did not go down well with New Line executives.

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  13. The curb scene really does make you flinch. And more violent is the scene where he assaults his sister, after an argument. Found it a lot disturbing, because it shows what happens to a person so blinded by his hate filled ideology, that he does not even care about his family members.
    ..
    “It’s a alot about pride, they feel they have lost it and want to regain it.”
    I guess thats what is the movie’s strong point. It does not demonize Derek, just takes a look into his mind, allowing us to understand why such people think that way. In fact its a bit scary, you dont agree with Derek’s ideology, at the same time, you cant help feeling that he raises valid points too.

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  14. @ Bipin

    Yeah u have pointed out all my favorite scenes in the movie.
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    One more disturbing scene when he assaults his sister, trying to teach her “some respect”. Grabbing her by hair, stuffing the meat into her mouth. Gosh that scene just threw me off. It just shows how hate has turned him into such an animal, that he does not care for his Mom or Sis.

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  15. girish girish says:

    @Ratnakar

    Nice article…Please write something about tanvir habib,one of the greatest stalwarts of Indian theater..Hope to see an article about great man..

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  16. yeah I heard about that incident too and Eddie’s involvement is a bit like Amir Khan’s reputation.
    But I have not seen either falter so I have faith in both of them and the choices they made.

    I also think the improvements made to the Hulk script were a big part of its commercial succes.
    I am sure now critics are turning away and proclaiming the Ang Lee Hulk to be superiors but that’s just elitist snobism in my eyes comparing it to a Skhakespearian tragedy, i wonder how some critics can look themselves in the eyes with all the crap they spew :-)

    In any case after watching American history you need to watch La Haine, only for seeing a Skinhead getting beat up by an arab, a black dude and a jew. Hail to the french!

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  17. avn avn says:

    Amazing article Ratnakar.
    What a movie….the last moments when the tension builds up and we know something is going to happen…but what happens is unexpected. And the positioning of the dinner scene with Derek’s father, was quite clever too. As you rightly pointed out, it kind of put things in perspective……
    It’s so important that issues like racism are portrayed in a balanced and objective manner so that it resonates with all parties involved, and makes them think……the preachy way in which we deal with issues in our movies, I wonder if it has really changes anybody’s perception for the better…..

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  18. @ Yunus

    Ang Lee’s Hulk vs Ed Norton’s version is something which would be as much debated as Tim Burton’s Batman vs Christopher Nolan’s Batman Begins, that would be another topic though,LOL.

    Wud check out La Haine, thanks for recco.
    ..
    Also check out Romper Stomper, pretty much bleak, gritty movie on Neo Nazi skin heads in Oz, with Russel Crowe as a skinhead.

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  19. @ Avn

    The reason why AHX is one of my favorites, is the fact that i myself have been though that phase, when i had the same kinda feelings that Derek has in the movie. And its not just Derek, the prejudices he has against people of other races, are prevalent in the average person. I seriously wish our movie makers take an objective look at such issues, rather than going into the preachy mode, which really dont touch upon the real issues.

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  20. Abhra Abhra says:

    Ratnakar

    What do fans of RGV have in common? They also like the same Hollywood movies..Hence u write and I read about Goodfellas, My cousin Vinny and now this one.

    I agree with Younus that this movie makes you speechless. Theres a lot of people including myself who went silent for a time after watching this movie. I watch it every now and then and must say that spellbinding effect still lasts.

    I don’t know or need to say anything about this movie that you or the others have not already mentioned. But just to add my 2c here’s a list of Ed Norton films that no one can afford to miss. In my opinion he is the most underrated actor post 90s.

    1. Pride and Glory – watched it for maybe the 20th time since it came out last year. Already considererd one of the best cop movies ever made.

    2. 25th hour – Spike Lee classic and an unbelievably realistic portrayal of post 9/11 NYC underbelly.

    3.The Score – Watch the young Ed hold his head up with stalwarts like Brando and De Nero.

    Keep writing man, I like your posts.

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  21. @ Abra

    Missed u dude. And nice to know ur an Ed Norton fan like me, check out my other post about him. http://passionforcinema.com/ed-norton/
    ..
    Related to Ed Norton ur right, he is one of the more under rated actors. His movies are not the typical crowd pleasing, summer blockbuster kinds, most of them are the artsy, indie stuff.
    Have not seen Pride and Glory, but 25th hour was awesome, especially Norton’s ranting scene.
    Some other Norton flicks i liked.
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    Down in the Valley- Sort of a revisionist Western cum love story, Norton playing a troubled character who gets into a passionate affair with a much younger female.
    The Painted Veil- Fabulous performance by Norton again as an idealistic doctor in China.

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  22. @Abra

    If we are making list you need to push 25th hour a bit higher.
    I have not heard anything as beatiful as the final monologue Brian Cox gives at the end:-)
    How about a list of Eddie’s dialed from home performances :-)
    Or have we forgotten the Italian job?
    and it is a weird concidece we re all RGV fans here :-) ( Altough I cant give a pass to his Nisha Kothari work)

    @Ratna
    Yeah Romper was good but didn’t have the impact for me as AHX did.
    Probably as I saw it at a much different time in my life.

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  23. i need to stop using smiley’s

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  24. Ed Norton’s Fuck You monologue in front of the mirror in 25th Hour was aweseome. I would rate it equivalent to De Niro’s “Someday rain will wash away all this scum” monologue from Taxi Driver or any of Pacino’s famous monologues.
    ..
    And one real cult flick was Rounders starring Norton and Matt Damon, with the poker and illegal gambling backdrop. It was a treat to see both Damon and Norton, in full form.

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  25. Sharath P S Sharath P S says:

    Totally love the movie. Hard hitting.
    About 25th Hour, I saw it in zee studio and so, there was no “Fuck You monologue” at all :( Watching movies in TV with added censorship sucks..

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  26. loved rounders, it s one of those movies i can watch every day, a bit like the GOONIES :-)

    @Ratna, sorry bro i m not on Orkut, catch me on my blog though

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