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PFC HINDI MOVIE RECOGNITIONS of 2007
Fortunately, there will not be any e-items performed by chammiyas & taporis and hence, I do not have a list of sponsor names to announce. Besdies, we do it differently here. So I will get straight to the point, which is, passionforcinema.com HINDI MOVIE RECOGNITIONS of 2007. We (non-featured authors) have come up with a nominations list and you lot vote your favorites. Just like last year. As simple as that.
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Great! done with my votes.
Great going HG!!!!
Great HG! m also done.
Done duna dun done
Done with my votes. I vote for HG for the power awards for creating this post.
Done…great work HG
Wow!Soha ‘wooden’ Ali Khan in most preferred actresses..
The Height of Bias!!
Bias? How? There are other five nominees in the category and they all aren’t Soha Ali Kha, are they now?!
Wow!Soha ‘wooden’ Ali Khan in most preferred actresses..
The Height of Bias!!–Redefined.
and to think these guys cavil about Filmfare and others being biased
french…we got nothing to gain, nothing to loose. no sponsors to tell us who should win to make their brands visible. biased for what ? cinema ?? and thnx 4 taking us so seriously. nobdy else does.
Hey,no need to have such a high opinion of yourself..I dont take you seriously..
But,when you guys dont have your own integrity intact why cavil about anyone else?
French, do you have a split personality? Just curious. If you think this is bias or whatever because Soha Ali Khan got nominated.. then you can think so. I do not have a problem. That is yer opinion. Fair enough.
End of discussion.
there should be PFC bakwaas film of the year
welcome
taara rum pum
jhoom baraabar jhoom
aap kaa suroor
and 80% of the movies came out in 2007
Dude, KK for Alvida!!
@HG
Why no Sonu Nigam? :(
and why no Pritam? :(
Pritam, Sonu Nigam and KK didn’t get enough votes.
whose votes?
Read the first paragraph and click on ‘Last Year’, to find out…
Aamir’s name was missing in best director and best supporting actor list
I feel this is an exercise in futility. People will vote, ‘winners’ will be chosen, then a whole lot of others will come cursing/abusing the choices… Just like any other awards. I don’t see this as very different from Filmfare, where the nominees are chosen by public voting and a jury selects the winners. Here it’s the reverse. A true PFC Movie recognition, in my opinon, should have have followed the Filmfare process i.e. ask PFC readers to vote for nominations and then the PFC authors could select their choice. That would reflect the opinion of the majority of PFCians. Here we’re voting among what some people have thought were the best.
I’m saying this because I’ve seen ‘authors’ on PFC bashing other awards just because some of the choices didn’t match with theirs, whereas I feel there has never been and never will be an award or recognition that finds unanimous acceptance.
Anyway, that’s just me… But awards are fun. I enjoy the backlash that follows the awards. :)
And yes, I voted as well ;)
HG when I did not see Saawariya not even getting the nomination, my enthu for the poll went phhussssss………
Respecting the true-blue Democratic tradition, I have cast my vote. BUT I hereby request the authorities (i.e, Respected Hon. Goonda ji) that my votes for the best film, best director and best editor (all for Black Friday) be declared null and void and they be transferred to No Smoking, after a new account for the movie is duly created.
p.s.: H.G. What about Run Bhola Run?
Finally! :)
Aditya, I think, majority of authors have bashed filmfare awards because of the structure of filmfare - how it is all fixed - how winners are chosen - etc.
If you think we have forgot to recognize any excellent work or performances for any reasons, then you are welcome to air your opinions.
KCP, Saawariya did get a nomination in the best cinematography category.. :-D
Joyjeet, I thought, it would be better to concentrate on the quality work than dish out or ridicule crap…
OK..my votes in too..but yaar Kay Kay kidhar hai..for Black Friday…was searching???
Koi baat nahin..some personal wishes shall always be there!!
Please add Natty’s 2 films and give him the DOP award..pls!!
Thought you guys might be interested in checking out this article I wrote http://planetbollywood.com/displayArticle.php?id=s022808055623
Oh, I think Kailash should be nominated as most preferred male singer for Bhangara Paun Nu for 1971 :)
Great work HG! Working hard out here in the comments too I see!!
We are with you!!
C’mon guys, there never will be a perfect jury. All we can say is that we have been an honest jury…
HG, it’s impossible to please everyone, so forget the naysayers.. i know how hard you’ve been working on this to make this project reach fruition, and you deserve full marks for that. way to go! will cast my votes soon enough..
to the others who have nothing better to do than criticize, all i can say is that we do, we make mistakes, but we learn along the way.. this is only the second year we’re doing this. keep that in mind.
Amanda..
A nomination for Himesh for best music? In Namastey London, I only found “Mein Jahan Rahoon” as a quality track. That’s because of Rahat Fateh Ali Khan & Krishna. Anyway, some will miss out… and after reading your article, i guess, you will agree with our nomination list..
BWT, Kailash was better in Yaa Rabba.. but i do like bhangra pauna song as well..
DC,
yep, we have been honest with that.
Striker,
i know it is hard to please everyone.. so am not trying to, but don’t mind getting criticisms for that and defending that. I enjoy it.
HG: I have no problem with the nomination list. Your ‘most preferred’ film nominatons pretty much matches mine.
http://urgetofly.blogspirit.com/archive/2007/12/28/top-10-hindi-films-in-2007.html
My problem is with the whole point of putting something up for voting when the voters don’t get the choices they might want. “Most preferred” by whom?. That’s why I prefer voting followed by “jury” selection. That will, in my opinion, be a true PFC Most preferred recognition, for that will give PFC readers (who I think have as much role to play in making PFc what it is) the real power to choose.
Anyway, why bother about a naysayer like me who has nothing better to do than criticise. ;)
I agree with you on that.. but for that we will have to build up an infrastructure - and this can get very complicated - as there will be so many varied opinions/views/suggestions.
the route we have taken is quite simple, easy, & fair to implement - also we believe it sort of reflects the PFC readers opinions. you and Amanda are the two examples.. and rest of people who have voted.
i don’t think you are criticizing… you’re just telling what you would prefer..
Surprised to see Mithoon with the least votes.
He’s superb!!
Ok, so his songs began to sound like an extension of ‘The Train’ in ‘Aggar’, but he has a Rahman like quality.
He’ll be huge one day!!!!
@HG: Thanks for taking my comment in the right spirit.
About filmfare and other popular awards, there are always objections raised about why a particular deserving person was not nominated. And people end up making blanket statments like they’re biased or bought. What people forget is that many of these nominations are based on popular voting, and popular votes do not always reflect the best. So if Black Friday or Johnny Gaddar or Manorama doesn’t get a Filmfare nomination it’s only because not many people saw them. I’m not saying that those awards are always fair, but calling them ‘unfair’ everytime they don’t reflect one’s opinion is taking things a bit too far and perhaps the easiest way out. If you look at the filmfare winners this year, except for one or two categories you cannot say the recipient was clearly undeserving. That these awards keep introducing new categories to please everyone is a different matter altogether ;)
P.S. If it would help, let me tell you that very rarely have filmfare awards gone to people I thought were deserving. So, don’t come to this conclusion that I hold a brief for Filmfare or any other award.
good work Hg….and of course u cant please all…
This year we have not criticized Filmfare awards as much as we did it last year.
Would Chak De! India have got Filmfare nominations or won any awards if it did not have Yash Raj stamp or SRK? What is the difference between Chak De! India & Iqbal?!
anyway, i get your point. people should have recognized that filmfare awards this year were quite reasonable compare to the previous years. still way far from being fair…..
Great work HG, done with my votes.
Done…great work gunda…hamaara gunda kaisa hai “HG bhai” jaisa ho :d:d:d
i am assuming that lack of good performances from female actors led to Soha’s nomination..anyways Kareena wins it hands down so who cares
why No Aamir in director list? No Smoking in films list?
Excellent job HG…you deserve a toast for single handedly making this work and showing the drive that you did during all this…Really a good job.
Voted!!! :)>-
Why is Shilpa Shukla not there in supporting category?
She deserves a nomination, no?
aur HG, Run Bhola Run bhi ho jaye! :)
Great job HG….You are the man…
Zindigi mein pehli baar vote kiya (I have never voted during elections)…:)
Just a question regarding some notable omissions:
1) Best Music: Were Jhoom Barabar Jhoom and OSO even considered. I thought that these were the 2 best music albums of the year
2) Best Actress: Madhuri dixit for Aaja Nachle would any day rank above Soha Ali Khan.
HG, You rock for pulling this together!!!
Shreyash, I think Jhoom Barabar Jhoom was hands down the best soundtrack of the year. The movie was so bad I laughed through it, but the music, both the songs and the OST were brilliant. I just think most people never noticed because they were too busy holding their noses through the film :)
Pritam n gand shud have been there for “Life in a metro”
@ Honhaar: I finally voted!!! Yeah, I actually thought Namastey London’s music score was very nice. Yes, “Main Jahaan Rahoon” is definitely the best track in the album, but the other tracks like “Chakna Chakna” “Dilruba” and “Raftaa” and “Anan Fannan” are also great compositions, and so are Javed Akhtar’s lyrics. I do agree with most (not all) of your nomination list—obviously, not everyone can be included in the nominations ;) Hmmm, I still feel Bhangra Paun brings out the better singer in Kailash than Yaa Rabba-but, then again, I like all of his songs! Have you listened to his albums (Kailasa & Jhoomo Re)?
@ Steve: Indeed, Mithoon is brilliant :) I hope to hear more of his compositions in 2008!!!
Good One. Voting done.
T - “most people never noticed because they were too busy holding their noses through the film”
:)):)):)):)):))
@HG: The difference between Chak De and Iqbal is that Chak De caught the imgination of the people across the country, whereas Iqbal didn’t (at least not as much). So I disagree that it got nominated or won only because of the YRF or SRK factor. If the YRF factor was so strong, why didn’t JBJ, TRP, LCMD or Aaja Nachle get as many nominations? Because, the people did not vote for them.
While I agree that the Powers that be can (and do)influence awards, attributing everything to manipulation or influence or bias is not right.
Oops..HG, What I meant by Saawariya was actually Monty Sharma
Pawan Malhotra was lead..
anyways, kudos to HG!! u r the man!
Aditya,
Was not it more to do with the Chak De song rather than the film itself? Chak De! India was more in media than Iqbal was. If Iqbal wasn’t made, do you think Chak De! India would have been made?
Anyway, I am biased; I prefer Iqbal over Chak De! India any-day. So will always disagree. And if it was up to me - if I had done a bit of Goondagiri - then Chak De! would not have got any nominations - but I am a Honhaar Goonda, so could not do that :-D
Neeraja,
Unfortunately, she didn’t get enough votes - she lost out to Shefali Shah.
Shreyash,
IMO, Taare Zameen Par, is the best soundtrack of the year, but it didn’t even get nominated. :-D
Steve,
Mithoon will get lost if keeps doing stuff like Aggar……
HG: Oh yes, the song had a huge role to play. And no one is disputing the merits of Iqbal. Whether it was the song or the media hype, Chak De got popularity and hence got nominated for a popular award. Let’s not say it was only because it had YRF or SRK behind it. And the film got popularity by word of mouth, not merely because of the marketing muscle of YRF (they actually didn’t promote it as much as they do their other films). And then, it got nominated here as well and I’m sure there was no YRF or SRK hand behind PFC nominations :)
With this…PEACE :)>-
“What is different between Iqbal and Chak de India?”
Lets see…
Does Iqbal’s central protagonist evoke the speccter of Ramayana(the Deity Muhammad Iqbal once referred to as the Imam-e-Hind, Lord Ram)
Does Chak de India cash in on the popularity of Cricket?
Does Iqbal evoke the staleness of the bureaucratic Indian milieu?
Is Chak de India as sentimental,as sappy as Iqbal?
Does Iqbal put together all antagnostic strands of the national populace(religion,gender,ethnic and so-on)?
The point I am making here is that Chak de India is a far more ambitious film covering a wider spectrum than Iqbal.The point also is that Chak de India also stumbles somewhat,in trying to iron over whatever it takes up but thats another matter altogether…
The point also is that the bias of PFC authors in favour of smaller films(not that there is anything wrong with it)means that PFC’s recognition has no room for the two best soundtracks of the year in Jhoom Barabar Jhoom and Saawariya,the best male performance of the year in Abhishek Bachchan in Guru,forgets Parzania altogether,and also celebrates the mediocrity of Johnny Gaddar and Life in a Metro.
@French: I think Parzania didn’t make the cut because it was in English and this is a “Hindi Movie Recognition”
But, Chak De! India cashed on the popularity of Shah Rukh Khan :-D Did ‘Iqbal’ really cash on?! Was Iqbal really about cricket? Chak de! India wasn’t about hockey or anything else. It was about Kabir Khan.
French.. define a small film?
Jhoom Barbar Jhoom and Saawariya did not get a nomination - because majority of the authors did not like the albums. t! (one of the pfc authors) did like JBJ - read her comment no. 45!
If we had not selected those albums because those two are BIG FILMS - then we would be biased - but fortunately, that is not the case.
As I have said.. In my opinion Taare Zameen Par, is the best soundtrack of year 2007, but did it get a nomination?!!
Parzania was in English. The Namaske was in English.. made by an NRI. Water was a canadian film… so none of those films were included.
How come not a mention in music category for OSO? This is not fair :((
The music of OSO rocked…but then since it is a SRK movie it would not get nominated on PFC :((:((
erm, DK, how many nominations did Chak De! India get?!
Besides, “Jhoom Barbar Jhoom” soundtrack is composed by Shankar - Eshaan - Loy and written by Gulzar. And all of them are very much cherished here.
We have looked beyond that and our favorites when picking a nominee. It is all based on quality not favoritism.
its disappointing. jury seems to be highly opiniated towards some films like manorama,JG,black F, no smoking, blue umbrella, etc,agreed they all are good films. but best films? sorry. if abhishek bachchan for Guru doesnt qualify for best actor category then i doubt fairness of judgement. maniratnam for guru doesnt qualify in any awards for best film or direction. do u think manoram is better thn guru? manorama is good, i liked it but no comparison to guru. and above all what abt originality? if u liked manorama then go and see chinatown. abhay deol is good in his restrained portrayal but he looks more flat than restrained. and he is prefered over abhishek is not the justice. i dont know how many jury member would be reading my comment, but i would be happy to have a clarification though they do not owe it.
regards
@58 HG
Iqbal was not about cricket.Agreed.But it wasnt even a tale of personal redemption twinned with one of political exclusion and witch-hunting.Was it?
Besides Chak de India never got the kind of opening Shahrukh Khan films usually get.Its true the media jumped on the bandwagon and tom-tomed it some sort of masterpiece which it clearly isnt.But I’d take it over Iqbal anyday.
A small film as seen through PFC’s gaze is a film that is not YRF,that is not made by pompous windbags like VVC and Bhansali,that is not a masala crowd pleaser,that does not star Anurag Kashyap’s bunny Abhishek Bachchan and that does not star Akshay Kumar.
Fulfil all those criteria and you have your small film.
The reason why JBJ and Saawariya did not get enough votes is precisely that.But,quite frankly I wasnt even expecting PFC authors to get the intricacy of Saawariya’s music,just like they didnt get the intricacy of Eklavya and Saawariya the films.You can hang on to the bandwagon of supporting the indie film makers and trying to spur the movement of great films,but atleast such ‘recognitions’ should never masquerade as the ‘fair’ judgement of films–an anti thesis of Filmfare and others as you guys purport to be.
@paharia…guru is good no doubt but if i hav to choose,then i would not vote for reliance’s corporate film. and guru was exactly that. on top of that,gurubhai was always right. his wife, friend,brother-in-law,parents,rivals…no explanations…how they come and vainsh without any reason. everyone’s charcter was lame so that guru becomes powerful. and they way the film ends. didnt like it. think others must hav felt the same. when its mani ratnam, i dont expect a corporate n such a weak film!
@63 french…we didnt like filmfare so we criticised them. and u dont like our list so u critice us. fair enough. and if u know someone who knows somebody who can tell u lil bit about filmfare,screen,zee cine,iifa and hundred other awards, plz do find out. how is the nomination list made and winners decided. public votes ? thats just a joke. here atleast u can c the voting happening. and if u dont know anyone, then will mail u the details soon. and yes, all kind of criticism is very much welcome. we love that.
“…guru is good no doubt but if i hav to choose,then i would not vote for reliance’s corporate film. and guru was exactly that. on top of that,gurubhai was always right. his wife, friend,brother-in-law,parents,rivals…no explanations…how they come and vainsh without any reason. everyone’s charcter was lame so that guru becomes powerful. and they way the film ends. didnt like it. think others must hav felt the same. when its mani ratnam, i dont expect a corporate n such a weak film”
Again this is parsimony.The reason why Guru ends in such a manner is clearly evident from what Guru the film was all about.Was it a bio-pic?Yes.Was it merely a bio-pic?No.
Guru works as a microcosm for the Indian thought process.It begins with the sort of apprehension that post independence India had to the Faustian bargain,but it ends with the kind of admiration we have for the self made GOD men today.Its true the kind of sanitization of Gurukant Desai is not satisfying,but even then the film in itself gives you a lot more to dig into,enjoy and engage with than any number of Manorama’s put together.
Here goes French bhai again! Using his miniscule knowledge of cinema to damn one and all.
Unfortunately, I agree with French.
Unfortunate because I do not subscribe to his/her thoughts on Chak De. I did not personally prefer Iqbal either except for Naseer’s acting. But Chak De was Chak De because of SRK. I was part of the crowd which was shown cheering as I had the good/bad fortune of being on the set when they were here in Sydney. This movie had every commercial element possible (including SRK) to make it a hit… thanks to YRF.
But I agree with French’s thoughts on Guru. This last paragraph is BANG ON “Guru works as a microcosm for the Indian thought process….. the film in itself gives you a lot more to dig into,enjoy and engage with than any number of Manorama’s put together.”
Guru need’s a second watch by people who did not like it. That’s just my opinion. And yes, it was way better than SFUM. SFUM was a good movie - period. It was ‘adapted/influenced’ and probably does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Black Friday. I was surprised Blue Umbrella wasn’t there in the ‘Most preferred movie’ and was shocked to see Life in a… metro.
I have nothing against the nominations here like I did not have against the Filmfare ones. There is no such thing as a ‘fair’ award. Every award/recognition endeavour has it’s motivation/agenda. It is fun to just see them all and enjoy them all rather than take offense (unless ofcourse the arrogant, uncouth and numbskull SRK is hosting).
So well, no complaints. All fun.
@ Sevian
I think it would be appropriate to retain a sense of civility to your posts.
My knowledge of cinema might be ‘miniscule’ as you tend to put it.Perhaps you can enlighten me with your gargantuan know-how of the world of ‘Cinema’.
Please proceed, and plese counter my arguments rather than accusing me of wanton damning of one and all.
@ Anand G
“Unfortunate because I do not subscribe to his/her thoughts on Chak De. I did not personally prefer Iqbal either except for Naseer’s acting. But Chak De was Chak De because of SRK. I was part of the crowd which was shown cheering as I had the good/bad fortune of being on the set when they were here in Sydney. This movie had every commercial element possible (including SRK) to make it a hit… thanks to YRF”
I agree with that,actually.I dont disagree with the fact that Chak de was as commercial as it could have been,what with the typical elements of our popular cinema,but Kabir Khan’s character,as it were was the element that pulls Chak de India out of the ‘entirely’ commercial project.The mystery behind him,and the fact that Shimit Amin chose not to spell out what he did in his seven years of ostracization,was the best part of the film IMHO and also according to my miniscule knowledge of cinema.
H.G.,
Agreed we must recognise good job well done. But criticism isn’t unfare. In fact, I think those being criticised should also be brave and own up to the negative awards. It’s a done thing, I feel.
I again propose that PFC continue with Run Bhola Run. Anyone to second that?
@French(70),
“The mystery behind him,and the fact that Shimit Amin chose not to spell out what he did in his seven years of ostracization,was the best part of the film”
—-
Kabir Khan was learning in those 7 years
(1) how to handle women players
(2) leaving a langauge which is used among all male players and
(3) learning the language which can be used with women players
(4) learning turning Hockey in to Chess kind of game, more mind less physical
(5) was preparing him to keep hold on his desire to marry as he thought he would marry one of player of his women hockey team.
(6) was taking care of his mother as she was the only relative he had
(7) first year might have gone in searching good city, good home as when he leaves old home and city this might have been quite labourious job.
(8) Then he might have done few jobs and left them till he decided no he would be a coach
(9) Then he saw Mile sur mera tumhara on DD and decided he would turn his philosophy towards national integration
(10) As he was muslim and film showed he was explled on this basis only because they though he was sold to Pakistan and as shown in Hlla Bol, many opportunistic muslim organisation might have tried to allure him to become a tool in their hands, so some time he might have wasted there also to deny them, then in facing abuses and false charges from them that he has become a kafir etc etc.
Film was made to propagate mild attitude so all these struggles are not shown.:)
added my votes. but best director award should go to Aamir for TZP (not listed above).
@Sanjit Singh Dang,
whole world knows AAMIR KHAN does not go to take awards. This may be the reason;)
@RK(72)
I dont really know what you want to prove with that post,but at the cost of sounding presumptuous the key message of Chak de India was ‘Mile sur mera tumhara’–What really is a national sports team? An entity that depends upon all effacement of the particular in the service of the ‘team’ character. It is only when all religious, ethnic, ‘class’ difference and so on is set aside that a suitable team can emerge. Every mass spectator sport is always shadowed by the specter of nationalism (even their histories are more or less co-extensive, i.e. national sports and nation-states). Every such team decidedly tropes the body politic. And much as democratic elections depend on ‘number’ (an effacement of sorts as I just indicated) teams also depend on numbers and their products, a cohesiveness that is achieved by first erasing every constitutive singularity. For a team to win the only thing that matters is the game, for the nation to similarly ‘win’ the sign of national must always be completely hegemonic.
Though its another matter that the film reduces the effacement to merely ‘conform for the betterment of the team’ and remove the ‘gaddar’ stain from your name.
@French,
Nothing to prove. was merely unable to understand your HO, that not showing Kabir Khan’s past 7 years (after he got stigma) was the best part of the film.
your (75) also does not help in making it clear.
???
The point is simple–the commercialisation of cinema entails dumbing down and spelling out each and every mystery,questions and what have you.Kabir Khan’s seven years are kept a mystery.He does not celebrate with the girls,instead he goes back to his house.These are the ‘niche’ elements if you will.This is what I liked about Chak de India.
French,
No, Iqbal wasn’t about that either, because ‘Iqbal’ is not ‘Chak De! India’ - both sport genre, though. Iqbal is about an underdog and Chak De! India is about a former Champion to prove a point. In fact, Chak De! India is sort of Nasserudin role in Iqbal…. expanded.
Chak De! India had so many gimmickry, where as Iqbal (as in film) hadn’t opted of any gimmickry. Did you miss the agent/bribe/rich angle in Iqbal? Farmer’s angle?
Chak De! India is as good as The Mighty Ducks. BTW, I do like Chak De! India, but not as much as Iqbal.
Now your accusations of us being biased… you still don’t get it do you.. Eklavya got two nominations where it deserved.. so did Saawariya get a nomination. JBJ missed out like TZP because there were quite few good quality soundtracks released last year. If you cannot see beyond that and want to be stubborn with your opinion…. then, I don’t have anything further to say.
French..
yep, the ending of Chak De! India was the best bit about the film. but the film was about Kabir Khan, so it needed to end at that. i nearly had tears in me eyes, but i was fretting about the climax - the final, so didn’t… and Goondas don’t cry. :-D
WTF!
Anand Bhai, MSFU does not worth mention in the same breath as Black Friday because the former was adapted/inspired!!! Wasnt BlackF also an adaptation?
IMHO, MSFU was the best movie last year (well,get rid of the Umar Ya Kamar scene). The reason being
1) magnificent tribute to Chinatown
2) thriller which does not resort to a Deus Ex Machina
3) shows the insignificance of good when compared to evil
4) the use of water/rain/fishes juxtaposed with the desert
5) the brilliant pink Amby and the line “Raat toofani thi?”
Regards!
@French (77)
With your logic, that goes against whole film, i.e Kabir Khan does not celebrate with women players but goes back to old city to regain his lost honour.
So he is not living in present but in past all the time. Suddenly not team but his wounded past becomes important for him?
So suddenly he becomes so big egoistic? though he has been teaching all his players not to fall before personal ego!
Thats bit complex character but you are enjoying if his complexity is not shown.
strange;)
“Chak De! India is about a former Champion to prove a point. In fact, Chak De! India is sort of Nasserudin role in Iqbal…. expanded. ”
Excuse my tone and all that,but this is a very weak reading of Chak de India.
“Chak De! India had so many gimmickry, where as Iqbal (as in film) hadn’t opted of any gimmickry. Did you miss the agent/bribe/rich angle in Iqbal? Farmer’s angle?”
Oh,and your point is?Does Iqbal actually offer commentary on bribery or better the morally corrupt bureaucratic milieu?
“Chak De! India is as good as The Mighty Ducks - and nothing better than that film. BTW, I do like Chak De! India, but not as much as Iqbal”
Ah,there you go.I was making just another sports film Chak de India sound like some deep meaning abstraction.Sorry,then guys.More power to you.
@French(63)
“I wasn’t even expecting PFC authors to get the intricacy of Saawariya’s music”
Take some time before you pass on such judgments. PFC is one of the few forums I have come across which has so many people who appreciate good music.
and Why all this discussion about Chak de..? Everyone liked it, right?
@Joyjeet(71)
I second that :)
“With your logic, that goes against whole film, i.e Kabir Khan does not celebrate with women players but goes back to old city to regain his lost honour.”
Yes,thats absolutely right.This is what Baradwaj Rangan in his review so aptly described as push and pull between a masala Yash Raj entertainer and a more niche Shimit Amin films.
“So he is not living in present but in past all the time. Suddenly not team but his wounded past becomes important for him?
So suddenly he becomes so big egoistic? though he has been teaching all his players not to fall before personal ego!”
How does that make him egoistic?The entire purpose here is the use of an agent to mediate the transformation of the singularity into a unit.Kabir Khan is the ostracized deity who integrates the entire squad.The squad truimphs on his own,and then he goes back.The problem herein is that this merely reduces the effacement of the particular as a means to remove the daag on your character..the gaddar waala daag.Its a problem yes,but looked aside from the film Kabir Khan’s mystery is left to your perception,that is what I liked.
Thats bit complex character but you are enjoying if his complexity is not shown.”
@ Neeraja: yeah, everyone liked it, but HG made a comment (36) that did it…. :)
French(84),
I am not sure that Director/writer team left mystery of Kabir Khan on Audience. I doubt commercial aspects motivated them to leave that.
Then its subjective issue. You liked the film so you have liking for almost every aspect of the film.
If one points out that (please bear bit sarcasm and its not personal) that Director had so great vision that the slogan “Gaddar….” written by a child on Kabir Khan’s old house remains as fresh after 7 long years as if it was written few days before (which is reality as shooting might have done within few days only at that place) and IT LOOKS FRESH because DIRECTOR IS TAKING RESORT OF symbolicism to point out the condition of inner wounds of Kabir Khan. His emotional wound remains as fresh as its on wall. Director had that mystic vision there.
Its in eyes.
“If one points out that (please bear bit sarcasm and its not personal) that Director had so great vision that the slogan “Gaddar….” written by a child on Kabir Khan’s old house remains as fresh after 7 long years as if it was written few days before (which is reality as shooting might have done within few days only at that place) and IT LOOKS FRESH because DIRECTOR IS TAKING RESORT OF symbolicism to point out the condition of inner wounds of Kabir Khan. His emotional wound remains as fresh as its on wall. Director had that mystic vision there”
So you mean it should have faded?
Its obviously emblematic of the pain inflicted upon Kabir Khan,and even when the gaddar is removed the stains are visible.He might have effaced himself,but the wound is hard to forget(which poses a rather curious problem)
@French (87)
ya I believe even rain did not bless the city where kabir Khan used to live as it saw the injustice imposed on him and it managed to keep slogan as fresh as it was written.
Only thing Director did not show it so I am assuming it that people of Indore (was it the city’s name) suffered as rain did not come for 7 long years and they did not know what was the cause. Once Kabir came back and regained appreciation of local people only then Indori guys got water of rain and danced.
jab kuch dil se chaha jata hai to sari kaynat use pura karne kee koshish mein lag jati hai.
Borrowing Atishi Sheesha of Sherlock Homes It can be seen, what happened to Kabir Khan later? as Director has not shwon it. he gets Bharat Ratna or atleast Padam Shri! or may be Dronacharya award.
I missed all these symbols shown in CDI. should watch it again for mysteries hidden behind main plot. :)
@ THOSE WHO THINK CHAK DE WAS NT AS GOOD AS IQBAL
IQBAL WAS A NICE MOVIE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT AND CDI HAD THE ELEMENTS TO MAKE IT COMMERCIAL, BUT POINT IS WHATS WRONG IF A DIRECTOR IS TRYING TO ENTERTAIN AUDIENCE RATHER THEN MAKEIN THEM THINK SOMETHING ILLOGICAL,I JUST LOVED CDI AND imo IT WAS MUCH MUCH MORE ENTERTAINING THEN IQBAL, ‘PEHALI BAAR KISI ANGREZ KO HINDUSTAAN KA JHANDA FELAATE DEKH RAHA HOON’, WRITING BY JAIDEEP WAS FANTASTIC, IT WAS A KIND OF MOVIE LONG AWAITED WITH A ANGRY YOUNG MAN KIND HERO, AND I MUST SAY THIS MOVIE OF SHIMIT WAS IN CONTRAST WITH AB TAK WHICH AGAIN I LOVED, I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSATND ITS EASY TO SIDELINE ANY WORK OF ART ON SOME BASIS, PEOPLE CAN EVEN CRITISIZE DEEWAR AND SHOLAY, ITS STUPIDITY, ON A LEVEL MSFU WAS BEAUTIFUL SIMILARLY TZP WAS BORE ON ONE LEVEL AS WAS BLACK FRIDAY BUT STILL WE LOVE ALL THE MOVIES MENTIONED, JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE CERTAIN KIND OF MOVIES YOU CAN NOT CRITISIZE OTHER CATEGORY OF MOVIES.
P.S. THOSE WHO SAYS YRF ARE MANIPULATING AND FUCKING FILM BUISNESS SHOULD NOT FORGET GEMS LIKE ‘DEEWAR, TRISHUL, KAALA PATHAR AND ITTIFAQ’
Gunjan …..no one has crticised chak de …look out the nominations first …chak de has got many nominations here …..if in comparison to iqbal some one prefers iqbal and someone prefers chak de ..its just personal choice ….but most of the ppl here like chak de ..period
Hey Gunjan, why all caps man? looks like you are shouting.:)
btw, what type of gem is deewar and kaala pathhar? “Mere pas ma hai” type? when did overt melodramas became gemstones? YRF made crap and still makes crap, apart from producing few okay films like CDI.
@phoenxnu
first of all film is a film, u can see it that i woudnt vote for a corporate film (which it is not) and for about vanishing of charactets like guru’s parents, bro in law etc; its on director how he wants to tell a story.in my understanding of telling a story its not required to exit a character logically, character comes in the story to make it move forward and thats precisely they did. u see ‘there will be blood’, its a biopic. and about a person. there are so many characters which come and go, and story moves forward.
any way still would u justify that abhay deol acted better than abhishek bachchan. or acting in a corporate film doesnt qualify as good acting?
gurukant desai is best portrayed character of year 2007, better than SRK in chakde. kabir khans character is single dimension throughout, but guru grows , it is multifacet, multi dimentional charcter which grows throughout the film like devanand’s character in guide. thats tough.
any comments?
@rudro
I dont know what you think but i truly feel that DEEWAR is the best written screenplay in hindi cinema ever. Its a classic, and about kaala pathar may the movie had flaws but it was Yash Chopra who had guts to make a disaster movie at taht time but i do agree major credit for these movies goes to duo of Salim and Javed
I have casted my votes…missed No Smoking in Best Film, Best Director and Best Editor category :(
gr8 work HG…thanks for Apna PFC Award :)
may the best win…:d/
Where is HONEYMOON TRAVELS PVT LTD? It was one of the best films of 2007! And where is its director REEMA KAGTI, one of the best filmmakers of last year?
And, where is EK CHAALIS KI LAST LOCAL and its director SANJAY KHANDURI?
You have nominated a copycat film like LIFE IN A METRO and forgotten two fantastic new films and directors of last year. Bad homework.
@HG
Why dont we remove the upper limit of the number of nominations? So, that way we can have as many as 20 movies in race for best movie of the year. It can get messy logistically but it will be an inclusive approach and people like rabindro can have their say as well.
@rabindro
dude, are you serious about ek chalis ki last local? lol
I agree with you Amit(97) on the upper limit.
Next year I am planning to have only five nominees per category… and a few more technical category, perhaps. let’s see…
:-D
@HG. how about having only one ? 8-}l-)
@paharia…those were my reasons for not liking the film.u can hav the same reasons for liking the film. ya, think abhishek was better than abhay. but then its voting by majority. and talking about there will be blood…i didnt like the film at all. for me it was pointless film which took more than three hours to say i am finished. among d mainstream popular ones, my vote for best film goes to diving bell and the butterfly. and then no country for old men, michael clayton,juno n many others.
@phoenxnu
agreed, no country for old man is fantastic watch.it virtually captivate the audience. havnt seen ‘diving bell and the butterfly’, now i would like to.
for ‘there will be blood’ i differ. though immidiately after watchin TWBB i cudnt form my opinion abt the film but slowly it started growing in side, similar to what happened to me when i watched khoya khoya chand. initially i didtn like it, but after couple of day i was thinking abt film and now i think it was very good barring disappointing shiney ahuja.
well…still it is no hazaron…
here is my list of highperformers of 2007
mithun - guru
irrfan khan - life in a …
konkana - life in a ….
darsheel - TZP
pankaj kapoor - Blue umbrella
title song of khoya khoya chand
jage hai der tak - guru (song)
in dino - life in ….
opening train sequence(till they reach punjab)of Jab bhi met
kareena in jab we met
@ French-
Your criticism of the nominations is extremely unfair, for the precise reason that your own perception and idea of how we have probably formulated this list is biased and incorrect. We at PFc constantly face criticism of being the champion of the ’small’ film, which is true to some extent but not in this context and at the risk of total bias and non-objectivity. I think you are completely in the wrong when you question our ‘integrity’.
I have been part of the nomination process, which admittedly was not too well planned but we tried the best we could in a short time (all credit to HG) and hope to do it better next year. There are, for example- many names that I would personally have liked to see- Blue Umbrella for best film, for example. I would personally rate JBJ over many of the soundtracks nominated, and Abhishek Bachchan was more deserving than SRK in my book. However, that is no reason to judge our integrity- it has been a collective process with people having different opinions and things happen to swing a certain way, which need not please everyone completely- sometimes not even the people part of the process. Stereotyping of the ‘PFC gaze’ kind is best avoided and baseless- unless you wanna criticise for the sake of it.
Talking of more individual names you mention:
-Parzania wasn’t considered because of the language.
-You may not have liked them personally, but this is almost outrageous- “The mediocrity of Johnny Gaddar and Life in a Metro.”
-”I wasnt even expecting PFC authors to get the intricacy of Saawariya’s music,just like they didnt get the intricacy of Eklavya and Saawariya the films.” Then why the hell are you here wasting your time- got nothing better to do? Such haughty, condescending remarks are the worst- almost embarrassingly amusing in a way. I liked Guru and Eklavya, but different films work for different people for various reasons- Guru and Eklavya did not work completely for me- that does not make them bad films. You may have your own reason for liking them so much and you are free to express them without being haughty about others’ choices.
My personal list (posted earlier)
http://passionforcinema.com/the-best-of-bollywood-in-2007%e2%80%a6and-then-some-more/
And the dubious distinctions-
http://passionforcinema.com/the-truly-trivial%c2%ae-awards-2007/
@Gunjan(93)
“DEEWAR is the best written screenplay in hindi cinema ever” - hats off man! Even I could never insult hindi films like that!!!
@Jahan Bakshi(103)
I did not intend to deign.I apologise if I did.
Problem is–there is an obvious bias against certain types of films and film-makers, in the nominations which is quite evident.No one really has the privilege of neutrality,so why pretend?
HG amazing job man !!!
done with my votes !!!
thanks to French !!! post is HOT :)
@french
I believe that the nominations here are probably the best u can get from ne kinda awards !!!
this is not to satisfy neone !! but its just an attempt to be honest !!!
so chill !!!
French.. you’re being biased by throwing tantrums because two of your favorites did not get a nomination. Just look beyond your favorites.
And don’t come up with same shite.. I don’t wanna go round and round and round and round and round (takes a breather) and round and round and round and round and round (takes a breather) and round and round…
@HG
My favorites did get nominated:d
@jahan & honahar goonda
hi, just wondering how to be the part of the team which finalised the nominations? is their any membership required? can u guide me pls?
Thanks Neeraja.
Agree with u Gaurav
HG says V r stubborn if v cant see beyond?? beyond wat??.. he can criticise any nominations but their nominations are perfect…So HG wat r u really doing?? Nothing but throwing shit of ur Mind on others….and others are doing the same thing… Vicious circle dear…HG V nvr know V r in ERROR LOOP until V come out of it..So r Ur Nominations and Ur justification…Wen V start Judging others V lose the Clarity of Thought and Equanimity of Vision….Justification is always of False, fake and Phony…TRUTH stand on iTs OWN. Ur list is ur Perception of things around u..so realtive not absolute…so its Flawed at the very core….
I dont know why the list of
Most Preferred Soundtrack, doesnt list : Taare Zameen Par
and why the
Most Preferred Director doesnt list: Aamir Khan.
:-?:o:o
My 2 paisa on the whole thing.
Any thread that has the word “awards” or “recognitions” will be hotly discussed and deservedly. Expectedly, there are lot of comments.
As Phoenixnu (101) mentions that “but then its voting by majority” thats how any award/recognition process works.
For popular awards, the aam junta is also a part of it and if they vote for Bhool Bhulaiya (BB) and not for Johnny Gaddar (JG), I think its ok cos I am sure they saw some merit in the former.
In PFC, people tend to have similar inclination and vote for BF or MSFU rather than BB which is cool too.
So it all depends which demograph are we talking about.
The moot point is there should be no discrepancy in the nomination list i.e. I would have been surprised if Akshay Kumar made it to nomination list this year in PFC cos that is an aberration.
As long as the nomination list is strong, whoever wins is immaterial.
Finally, its always the case of my apple better than your orange. Why forget that all are fruits of hardwork and passion. Just relish them!
bhaiya
ekadh jagah ‘gandhi my father’ ka naam bhi likh dete.
:-b
manorma six feet under. naam hi itna third class hai. meri to dekhne ki ichha hi nahien hui. isse achha to 30 rupaye main surendra mohan pathak ka upannyas pad lenge.
~X(
areah vishrant maahasay.. ‘gandhi my father’ issley nahi likha kyon ki gandhi mera baap nahi hain…
i dont think this is needed. plz dont go on with filmfare kind of democracy here.
Great concept….but should say the nominations don’t seem to be exactly fair - Understand this site could have as well been called ‘passionforak’ but still AK niether composed the music for ‘No smoking’ and ‘Black Friday’ nor did he sing for them!!
That said, there should be a category for bets song picturisation also - my vote for that goes to Jab bhi cigerette from No Smoking…..
hey HG… grt one man! Done wid voting… very very interesting results…
No Smoking is NOMINATED?
On What GROUNDS? WHAT IS THE BASIS?
Thats the heights of sucking up guys!!!
When are going to be declared????
WINNERS*
in case u dint crack the code!!
parth,
When at least 5000 people have voted! Seriously.. this is the only second week.. and haven’t set a date to close down the voting. Perhaps after four weeks.
And this is not an award thingy, so we won’t be handing out any awards..
Y wont we??
I mean i remmember a discussion in comments of one of the blogs at PFC(even Anurag Kashyap joined in), where we were supposed to mail the award to the winners and they will post blogs as acceptance speech.
We can try yaar…
Parth.. find out in four weeks time. We are thinking of doing something.. but haven’t zeroed on anything.
aamir was a little unlucky to miss out on supportin actor and director……other categories were ok i guess….i guess we had a good year in 2007 wid tzp,johnny gadar,manorama,blue umbrella and even chak de india..can ne1 tell me how do non featured authors blog on this site or are we just allowed to comment?:d
pranay,
check out projekt iview section.
iqbal was great..
but wtf was that chakraview thingy..
funny shit…
Wow, here it is - the pro-Anurag campaign trying to conveniently fit in Black Friday in most of the nominations….as if the PFC awards were made to honour AK….and it clearly reflects the bias! Why isn’t Aamir nominated for Best Director? Because he doesn’t believe in awards? As if you people were going to personally award him? What a terribly lame excuse to conveniently allow AK to have high votes for his film. What’s the difference between Filmfare and PFC awards…there money rules..here power rules! Why wasn’t Rani Mukherjee nominated for Best Supporting Actress for Saawariya? Did anybody seriously read the heavy nuances in her characterization and how brilliantly she portrayed them in comparison to others in the same category? Just because the movie failed to catch attention or the jury too intent on downplaying SLB and his films? And no nomination for Saawariya in Best Male/Female Singer, Music Director, Soundtrack categories? What a heavily biased jury! Can anybody with a sane music knowledge counter me with some objective and intelligent arguments?
One should seriously pay attention to French’s educated comments over here because he just does not make claims but supports them with good reason basing it on good knowledge of cinema and not subjective opinions !
Suketu, you are late to the party buddy. It’s almost over now, just a few lesser appealing drinks left.
As for your grievance, take some time and read about the nomination process and how the list came up.
Given your indelible claims to have a sane music knowledge, I doubt if anyone would dare to challenge that. And regarding French’s educated comments, well he might win a nomination or two next year for ‘The Most Educated Commenter’, for all we know, if you concede to that, that is.
Definitely and whole-heartedly I concede to that! :)May be I’m late but I made my point for others to moot on preferably in a much educated way than passing insinuations. Hoping to see French’s nomination next year! Till then, ciao.
Gentlemen, lets not suck each others d**ks quite yet - Mr wolfe to Vincent & Jules
well this exercise looks to me as anything but that. Seriously guys, grow up your - Anurag Kashyap is the Messiah- mentality.
Just answer me this - Why is Aamir Khan not there in Best Picture category???
Saying that he doesn’t accept awards is a lame excuse and silly at that.
Ajay, why don’t you constitute an award of your own if you are so damn pissed with all the other attempts? I am quite impressed with your Pulp Fiction quotient, though I could cite the entire script here but will refrain. And please tell me how do you ‘grow up a mentality’?
@Tushar: I don’t quite agree with your “why don’t you constitute an award of your own if you are so damn pissed with all the other attempts” statement. That’s a classic reaction from anyone who cannot take criticism. Didn’t expect that from you :)
BTW, Did PFC start this because they were “pissed with all the other attempts”? That’s what I had thought and that was exactly my point when I called this an exercise in futility in Comment 21. :)
Anyway, no offence meant….just that I feel strongly about this issue.
That’s fine, Aditya. Guilty as charged. I had reacted that way cus if you see the bevy of recent comments, there is a pattern, and it’s not a healthy one. The awards and the procedure might have loopholes, but it certainly is not biased towards or against any film maker or kind of films.
And as I said about the intentional attack, you see no one from the hate brigade replied to my fiery reply, so that proves the point that it’s meant to infuriate and not discuss or argue anything concrete per se.
Aamir Khan has not been nominated in neither Best Director & Best Supporting categories because he did not receive enough votes. As simple as that.
We have not ignored him because he does not going to award ceremony. This is not an award ceremony. Read the title!
Besides, did Aamir Khan alone direct the film? What about Amol Gupte? There wasn’t enough clarity. Hence many people did not nominate him.
Also, there were better performances than him by others, which you guys are tending to overlook, because Aamir Khan is your favorite, so you are being bias in your comments, not us.
Aditya, last year PFC recognition was an reaction to all those pathetic awards going about in India.
But this year we did it because we wanted to do it. PFC recognition, is not for giving underrated people the credit, but appreciating the quality work, which is without any discrimination.
Amir khan deserved nomination….
how it matters for outsiders he directed full of TZP or Amol also directed some part??? nominate both of them…
nd what abt best producer?
Amir khan deserves nomination there also…. nobody dared 2 produce, tzp now and lagaaan before….
its not abt being fan…
aamir is gutsy… his guts shd be recognised…:d
Why Amir Khan is not there in list of directors. I think he has done a brilliant job. My vote for Most Preferred Directors of 2007 goes to Amir Khan.
What a stupid discussion- I definitely think it needs to end. I did not nominate TZP- and it is not even in my top 7 films of the year- so can I say that all the voters were ‘biased’ towards Aamir’s film? It has got almost every ‘award’ it had been nominated for here, after all- and I personally don’t think it deserves many of them. Opinions are always subjective to an extent- they must be respected unless they are unfairly formed which is not true in this case. PFC holds only cinema sacred, not any filmmaker. Good job, Honhaar- I don’t think you and Tushar need to justify anything.
where’s pritam for jab we met?
Jahan, i agree with you on “Opinions are always subjective to an extent- they must be respected”, shouldn’t same be applicable to you.
I don’t understand what you mean to say, SmokerJoe- it obviously applies to me too. I can go hoarse talking about how The Blue Umbrella is one of the best films of the year and leagues ahead of TZP in my opinion, but I do respect the opinion of others- they have their own reasons for liking it.
Jahan, I was commenting on the stupid part. As long as ppl are not fighting baseless, every discussion is fair. no offense.
BTW I also think Blue Umbrella was a great film, specially Pankaj Kapoor. He is one of the most underrated actor in bollywood.
” As long as ppl are not fighting baseless…”
People were, in fact making baseless allegations- and this was carrying on endlessly- hence the word ’stupid’. And truly, Pankaj Kapur is THE most underrated/underused actor in Bollywood- he is just in a diff class altogether.
i don’t understand how Aamir Khan could be left out of the best directors list. that too, when there were so many articles about TZP in the PFC website itself before and after the film was released.or, were u cashing in on the film’s tremendous popularity then, and are now fighting for Amole Gupte? Does he fund u in addition to being the friend, colleague and guru of many of your contributors? an mr HG, do u seriously think anyone would believe ur statemnent”Aamir Khan has not been nominated in neither Best Director & Best Supporting categories because he did not receive enough votes”? aamir not getting enough votes!!!!come on man, wake up!:-?
Nice work Kiddo - voted :)
and when the results are out?
huh?
Great going……. done with my votes
There are three categories in which you forgot to nominate some name:
1)PFC Most preffered composers:
Pritam for Life…..in a metro & Jab we met
2PFC Most preffered Sound track(Male):
In dino dil mera….: Soham(Life in a metro…)
3)PFC Most preffered Director:
Aamir Khan: TZP
Its shocking that u hv nominated TZP in the preffered movie category but nt Aamir Khan in the prfered director category………
Done with my voting.
Could not Understand how Aamir is Missing in Supporting Actor and Directors Preferred list…Else all was fine…but the since aamir was missing on the above 2, the list really loses the value…..this should have been looked at…..