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1. RK on August 2nd, 2007 5:45 am

   ” Shan-o-shaukat ke liye tu pareshan hai
   aur meri ye tammana ki tera kirdar bane (You are wriggling to get levish and luxurious life and I wish you get a character)”

   ” Duayen tumko na dunga aish-o-ishrat ki
   ki jindagi ko jarurat hai karhee mehnat ki ( I will not wish you luxurous things as life demands hard work to succeed)”

   ” Bas yahi daudh hai is daur ke insanon ki
   teri deewar se unchi meri deewar bane ( Today’s men are indulged in this materialistic competition only that one should have higher walls then others)”

   ——All from a Shayer (Urdu Poet) worked as fourth class employee in a small city municipality.

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   People still write good thing and they bring their poetry out of their existence by crying, burning their blood, by bearing lot of things in life but its true that takers are less - because one way to reach to the people is through publication and this way is almost reserved for manipulative people. People want to write good and wish to bring out their best. But those who control market are interested in mediocre things only because somewhere talented people hurt their ego also.

   It was not this that Neeraj did not write and gave his best in films he did but these are film walla who did not respect his talent and except Dev Saab nobody paid attention to talent of such a poet. hence today we complain why there are no songs like Churhi nahin ye mera dil or Phulon ke rang se dil ki kalam se
   or Khilte hain gul yahan etc etc.
   Its not that film walla biggies wont be knowing impact of good songs. when they are down then it will be some old song healing their mood but and but is big that we dont think in some Hatke mode.
   we believe in rumours and if scene is created that nobody wants good music and everybody needs noisy music then they are busy in creating this heavy orchestra based music. Entertianment area in India is important part of life and films and music are most important parts of entertainment.
   Nobody is interested in initiating good things and hence sheepish behaviour where they all have to behave similarly.
   and then there are cruel people for whom Success at any cost is more important than to pay attention on the factor what they are creating and what impact its giving to society.
   Good literature, good music and good art demands a continous training in audience and viewers and its not other way round. Its exactly like education of a child. initially child has to deal with easy things but then later child has to be given tough and tough things so that he gets a standard to understand feerly on its own.
   Its a known fact that a beginer cant like classical music becasue it needs certain kind of understanding but that does not mean we start ridiculing classical music and close the door because our retarded mind cant understand it.
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   not only geet but no good art ever become old. thats why we still enjoy Khusro’s written words when L.P decorate them with their music for a film.
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   moreover there are always few people who create/listen and care for good creation. and as Tagore had written

   “World knows Few people are always more than Many people”

2. jayant somalkar on August 2nd, 2007 5:56 am

   dipankarji,

   main nahin maanta ki aajkal ke gaane dil ko nahin chhute…haan ye such hai ki aajkal ki gaanonmein music kaafi loud hota hai…par aaj ke gaane ye aaj ki audience ko dhyaan mein rakhake banaye jaate hai…samay ke saath saath logonki pasand napasand bhi badlati hai

3. dipankar giri on August 2nd, 2007 6:16 am

   jis desh ki 40 % population apne rozi roti ke liye din raat sangharsh kar raha hai..phir bhi apne sadhan nahi juta paa raha hai…wo samay ke saath kya badlega…aur kis samay ki baat kar rahe hai aap…wo samay jisme isi desh ka ek kavi ka putra ek mandir me 1 crore rupaye daan kar deta hai aur usi desh ka ek aadmi apne bache ko bhookh se tadapta dekh raha hai..jara mumbai se bahar nikal kar dekhiye..aj bhi hindustan wahi hai…sawaal ye hai ki aise haalat me jene waalon ke jindagi me do char pal khushi ke hai us pal me uske entertainment ke liye kya hai…humaara mazdoor class…farmers..drivers conductors..aam aadmi…wo kya luka chipi jaise gaane ka matlab samjh paayega…aajkal hum gaano ko technically likhne lage hai…aur technique dimaag se aati hai dil se nahi…aur aapne jo baat ki hai puraane khayaalaat ki to ek auto waala bhi apne bachoo ko aaj english school me padhana chahta hai…doosre auto waale ne to ek din apni choti bachhi ki tareef kar di ….sahab aap film wilm banate ho meri bachi bahut sunder hai usko koi role dila do na….har koi badalna chahta hai..sab kuch badal bhi sakta hai magar emotions hamesha wahi rahenge….70% gaon hai hindustan me…unke dil tak humaara na cinema pahunch raha hai na humaara sangeet unhe pasand aata hai ..sawaal ye hai ki hum shaheri logo ke liye banaa rahe aur likh rahe hai kya…..dekhiye latin american filmo ki terah…kaise experiments unki apni kahaani apne logo ke emotions ke saath keh rahe hai…humaara cinema producers ke haatho bazaaro ho chuka hai….baaki to door jara apne gaon ghoom kar aaiye aur dekhiye kaun se gaane unhe pasand hai…hum ab in questions se door nahi bhaag sakte…achha hoga milkar koi raasta dhoondhe..

   @rk
   excellent point….
   ek gem mere paas bhi hai jo pata nahi kisne likha hai…

   so jaata hai footpath pe chaadar bichakar
   mansoor kabhi nind ki goli nahi khata

4. RK on August 2nd, 2007 6:16 am

   Jayant somalkar:
   This is not true what you are saying. Things change with time but quality in art is a permanent essential fact. In west they have tradition of making notes of music and hence one can play Mozart by seeing inscription about his own songs but that does not mean these immitators can create a new song at par with Mozart as for that one has to reach to the stadard of the Mozart.
   In India we never had this tradition to keep in writing about music hence Guru gives training to his disciples many many years till they are able to play some standard ragas in standard ways.
   That auto rikshaswala might not be rich or much educated in the sense of college degrees but he had got a certain standard in listening the music and he had got some experienced years and a mind which could grasp good lyrics and hence if he complain about new songs with less standard then its a genuine complain and it has nothing to with the factor that he does not wish to change with time. Everybody needs a progress in whatever he is doing, and it may be listenting the music or watching the films or reading the books. Hence we search master pieces because they transcends times and people have to read them many times to understand them. If Gulzar saab is writing ticket to Hollywood then for him its like giving alphabets to those who are just learning how to listen film music. He also will be knowing that if a person will listen it 6 times in a day he wont touch the CD/cassette next day but when he will search some deeper songs then he will search what Gulzar saab has written in past and may go back to listen his old songs and when he will get more training he will go deeper in searching more better songs.
   Changing time- factor can be partially true as economical and social conditions are changed now and children of middle class are not having that much hardship as their parents used to face when they were children so certainly training is different these days. But all these things work till they dont come across a good work. once tasted good work they have to have some thirst to get better work.
   and then we have to consider those people who are taking proper training in music and those are learning writing, do they also feel in same way as a common man may think about a song?

   A contemporary popular but mediocre work may cover more horizontal distances but its vertical journey is not much. This wide umbrella has not got deeper boring in that sense. even slightly powerful wind will fly away its impact from earth. Do we recall any song which was so popular 2 years ago but we can find us humming any time a song released in 1950s.

5. RK on August 2nd, 2007 6:36 am

   Dipankar: the gem you quoted,

   “so jaata hai footpath pe chaadar bichakar
   mansoor kabhi nind ki goli nahi khata”

   MANSOOR ne likha hai.

6. dipankar giri on August 2nd, 2007 6:39 am

   

7. Honhaar Goonda on August 2nd, 2007 7:54 am

   erm, old classic songs are like vintage wines. so the new songs have not got a chance to be compared with old songs. it takes time to grow; rarely a song will touch your heart and that is IFF it some how relates to you.

   Do we love those old classics songs that were popular in those days or the quality songs of those era which were not popular?

   For example, I love Mohd. Rafi’s “Suhani Raat Dhal Chuki” and “Hum Bekhudi”, were those songs popular in those days?

   and in next two decades or so people will admire songs of this era and will be cursing songs of their era.

8. ajay on August 2nd, 2007 8:12 am

   dipankar,
   badhai.aapne sahi mudde uthaye.pahle filmon ke geet bhi shayaaaari mein sikka jama chuke shayar likhte the.aajkal film mein mashoor hone ke baad deewan chapte hain.javed akhtar ko bahut log pasand karte hain,lekin salim-javed ke javed auur shabana azmi ke shauhar javed ko bhool jaayen to javed akhtar ka kya hoga?
   yeh sawal ek baar maine pooch diya tha to woh naraz ho gaye the.

9. RK on August 2nd, 2007 8:31 am

   H:G,
   This is sheer argument only that people often curse present things and praise old things. If you go facility wise also then in old times and atleast till 1980, many people did not have tape or cassette recorder or record player and their medium to listen the songs was mainly Radio and in 1950s and 1960s, even radio were less in numbers in comparsion to population and if still people remembred the songs just by listening them at radio then it says a lot about the impression of songs on people. Today one can listen a song 10 times continuoulsy to know what singer is singing.
   Good songs are always praised in present time. the songs you have quaoted were popular in their times also. Music composer of those times remained under pressure of getting recognition from serious and classical based music composer and hence they tried to give their best. and in present time this factor is lost, now composer tries to create only a catchy song only so that he scores above other. Its like opening of the film. thats why music composer and lyric writer both category people are stressing upon Mukhra only because thats their guarantee to get intial audience. inside what they write they dont bother.
   They are cutting the crop which was sown and reaped by old music composers as old masters created place in the heart of listeners and generated a scene that film music can also be good. They made people habitual to listen the filmi music.
   When LP composed, Bhor Bhayee panghat pe and Piya kaun gali gaye shyam, then it was wow from all quarters. When Rafi sang ” Nav Kalpana Nav Roop se” then it was praised a lot in the crowd of all other popular songs.
   When many good composers, singers, lyric writers are working in same era then we get quality because healthy competition creates the good scene. Why its that Annu Malik has not got any success to compose a single song which could match his father Sardar Malik’s calibre?
   Why Javed Akhtar could not match his father’s poetry level? Annu Malik and Javed Akhtar both are successful in comparison to their fathers because perhaps they both understand functioning of filmi people which was lost in case of their fathers.

10. dipankar giri on August 2nd, 2007 8:42 am

    @ rk jab jaa nisaar akhtar the tab saahir bhi the…ali sardaar jaafri bhi the aur naye naye nida fazli bhi the….aise mahaul me bhi kabhi compromise nahi kiya gaya aur jo likha so extraordinary likha gaya…
    can u remember the song penned by jaa nisar akhtar…
    “aap yun hi faaslo se gujarte rahe..dil pe kadamo ki awaaz aati rahi”
    or
    aankho hi aankho me ishaara ho gaya
    baithe baithe jeene ka sahaara ho gaya
    or
    ye dil aur unki nigaho ke saaye…

    awesome…
    jaaved akhtar ko jo shohrat mili wo sholay se mili hai aur ..sholay ki kahaani andheri east ki gufaaon me hi sochi gayi thi..aur jisne socha tha wo koi aur tha…ye unki apni kahaani nahi hai..
    jaaved shaayri kar bhi lete hai par unka ek bhi geet dil tak nahi pahunch ..

11. dipankar giri on August 2nd, 2007 8:44 am

    aaj koi najar nahi aata jo umrao jaan ke jaise gaane likhe…dil chiz kya hai aap meri jaan lijiye..is anjuman me aana hai aapko baar baar deewaron dar ko gaur se pehchaan lijiye…
    shaharyaar ne uske baad gaane likhe nahi ..sochiye agar professor shaharyaar ne gane likhe hote to kuch aur gaane hume milte…

12. RK on August 2nd, 2007 8:51 am

    Dipankar: yesterday on some other post I had mentioned the film Shankar Hussain, which had music composed by Khaiyaam saab and this song belongs to that film. film had two other beautiful songs and one was Kahin ek masoom see najuk see ladki sung by Rafi.
    Ye Dil aur unkee bigahon ke saye is so beautiful song perhaps based on paharee raag.
    We may find many songs sung by Lata Mangeshkar and penned by Jaan Nisaar Akhtar, including Rajia Sultan’s songs.

    I am not aware about Javed Akhtar’s story abt Sholay being written by somebodyelse. I doubt this theory though because Sholay is 1975 film and he had started writing films along with Salim saab, since 1969-70-71. I cant recall if they wrote Andaj but they wrote Hathi Mere Sathi.

    Javed sab has written many good songs but this is also true that he has not matched atleast in poetry the skill of his father Jaan Nisar Akhtar or father in law Kaifee Azami. This is a fact.
    He is very successful so it helps in making an aura around him. But this cant happen that being poet and creative person he does not know the reality. He will be knowing where he stands before his father and father in law in poetry area.

    Gulzar Saab is also active in Javed Saab’s time but we can see no healthy competition is there between two, because most of the established film makers prefer Javed saab only so he has a secured place and hence why he will bother about creating immortal songs and moreover he has been credited to bring back poetry in the hindi films with song ek ladki ko dekha to aur ghar se nikalte hee.
    Though he had done much better work in Sagar and Silsila earlier.

13. RK on August 2nd, 2007 8:52 am

    dipankar:I am not sure but perhaps Sharyar had written songs for Muzaffar Ali’s unreleased film Anjuman also.

14. dipankar giri on August 2nd, 2007 8:58 am

    ya u r right..anjuman was the another film…want to hear more from u about the music and lyrics of Umrao jaan..

15. RK on August 2nd, 2007 9:04 am

    dipankar: I have cynical personal views abt Umrao Jaan’s music.
    For me best song there is “kahe ko byahe bides areee banno”

    Khayaam saab was determined to make it different from Pakizaa hence he selected Asha Bhonsle as singer for those ghazals. I mean to say that he was always hoping to make it a different and not the best.

    I am equally fond of Lata Mangeshkar and Asha Bhonsle’s singing but as a listener I always find merits in Pakizaa’s songs over Umrao Jaan’s songs.

    Somewhere I feel that Asha Bhonsle’s areas are different and many times she has scored over Lata Mangeshkar but not here though film UJ’s music was appreciated a lot but again comparison with which music?

16. RK on August 2nd, 2007 9:14 am

    I am not mentioning abt Shaharyaar’s lyrics in Umrao Jana which are A class. I wished to compare the songs of UJ with respect to Pakizaa.

17. Honhaar Goonda on August 2nd, 2007 9:18 am

    see, that’s the thing, in todays world you can hear a song zillionth time and hence can get bore of it easily. where as in those days the songs gave people a bit of time to reflect. where as aaj kaal your are bombarded with songs..

    in your other posts.. you also mentioned that people want everything quick…. that could be one of the reason as well.

    yeah, i agree that there are not that many semi-classical hindi film songs these days. i’d love to hear Manna-Dey-esque kind of songs.

    and fully agree with… better the competition better the quality.

    Do you think they would have done better if they did non-hindi film music? Cos that would have given ‘em to work in their own space and do whatever they want.

18. RK on August 2nd, 2007 9:36 am

    HG: I did not get you abt non hindi film music, you mean in films in other language or in non filmi music? and who could have done better? I mean to ask who are “They” you wish to refer.

    abt repetition factor- why we must go away, you yourself can see you, listening old songs composed much before your birth.

    We shd try to see whats the scene in film world these days.

    We will not find takers of Suresh Wadekar, in 80s films except Raj Kapoor’s films and in 90s he did work with Vishal Bhardwaj only because many other film makers thought he is too good for film songs and hence so many mediocre singers came in to existence and new music companies needed singers who could sing at lesser price. same is true with lyrics also.
    Many times filmmaker do not understand any kind of music, they have to keep songs for the sake of music and to fulfil this demand they have to keep item number type songs, whether they belong to taste of film or not. Situational songs have been lost somewhere and Imposed songs have taken their place.
    and for such songs one does not look for poets and especially good poets but they search those who can do Tukbandi means can write in rhyms only. meaning no meaning words should match with previous lines. when film maker does not demand the quality then quality can not come. This is the point with respect to present days songs.

    Many people are indluged in writing songs who are not poet and they have never written any poetry in past. they are given tune and they do some work (may be hard) to decorate that tune with matching words.

    I am sure you might have listened Madhushala already but if not hear it and see the union of beautiful words by Dr Bachchan, suitable music by Jaidev and able singing by Manna De.

19. Honhaar Goonda on August 2nd, 2007 9:48 am

    sorry, my bad. i mean, Non-filmy music/songs. They as in lyricists and composers. Because film songs has a lot of requirements: producers wishes, script, music company, etc. (as you have already stated that) So if they worked for their private albums….. would lyricists have written quality songs and composers would come up with a quality tune? only if we had a strong non-film music industry we would have known…

    “Situational songs have lost somewhere and imposed songs have taken their place”

    Aye. 100% true. “Socha Na Tha” and “Lagaan” are the only two recent examples I am aware of that had situational songs and good songs.

20. RK on August 2nd, 2007 10:01 am

    H.G: Perhaps because I can only present my reactionary thinking only in such hypothetical situation because it did not happen.
    Because lot many people are in to this non filmi albums and we cant say they are good. because market is heavy there also on the quality.
    If we study Jagjeet Singh’s songograpgy (hope its right word like filmography):) then we will find that his good albums are also those where he has sung songs of famous and quality oriented poets. What he has done with Ghalib, Nida Fazli, Batalvi etc he could not do with Javed Saab or Atal ji and other many poets.
    What I am trying to emphasise that once you start getting good songs you dont go for less quality songs and hence you pressurise composers, lyric writers to give quality.
    this pressure has been started in terms of films and people have started giving vehement reactions and its an indication to film makers that improve the quality. they cant sit there just on the basis of marketing skill only.
    This is true India’s major portion of population is very young and hence they have not listened good music and good poetry because all around less quality work is spread but they also have to think how long they wish repetition. If they wish to grow in the form of a good audiencve they will have to start rejecting poor work, how long boogie woogie type songs will work.
    Have you noticed whoever is fallen in love starts automatically searching some poetry. so its a matter when you start looking for good work.
    Its like man eater lion, once a good work and then you are hungry for good work and its must for self growth also.
    There is no growth, neither film makers nor audience if we continue creating and listening whatever we are getting at present.
    When a creator can complain that he is getting boredome by doing same work and he needs change why we as audience can claim same. we need quality work. and its a huge business now so a customer’s right also.
    you are right abt Lagaan. when film maker demands then lyric writer and composer both have to give quality work matching with subject of the film.

21. krysh on August 2nd, 2007 10:14 am

    Dipankar n RK, anyone saying that changing times required changed tastes and present day songs are equally good is to be excused. Its more of trends and ignorance that one may hold such view. Its a fact that golden era of indian music, especially lyrics is gone long ago..Even Yash Chopra feels handicapped after passing away of Sahir Ludhianvi..All his movies after Sahir Sahab’s demise have very mediocre or above average lyrics..
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    Yes art of writing film songs died with Majrooh Sultanpuri, who was last of the poet-lyricists..Shaharyaar and Nida Fazli are too good to be sullied by present day Hindi Film scene..I think they will feel uncomfortable themselves if approached to write for kind of films and compositions being churned out today.
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    Present day scenario is more suited to ad jingles writers..As they have more tuning to the technique of producing sound and making it effective by hammering with the punch lines or a word..
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    It cannot be generalised that young generation is oblivious of lyrical quality of golden era of Indian music..One yardstick is to see these young boys and girls singing songs while playing Antakshari..Invariably they are singing melodies from late fifties to early eighties..They may not be understanding the meaning of the lyrics yet they sing it subconsciously..Similar is the case with all those singing talent contests.

22. dipankar.giri on August 2nd, 2007 10:30 am

    recently i got to read an interview of nida fazli…wo bahut kam likh rahe hai kyunki koi aata nahi unke paas…nida chahe umrdaraj ho lekin agar mahaul achha hota to mera ye hunch hai ki kuch aur gaane milte sunne..wahi haal naqsh layalpuri ka hai….in shayaro ko ab koi nahi poochta

23. dipankar.giri on August 2nd, 2007 10:34 am

    saahir ki jageh ab jaaved ne le li hai…jaaved knows how to write a hit song…gulzar sahab JBJ me dhokha kha gaye…ab to vishal aur gulzar se hi koi ummed bachi hai

24. Tony Mera Naam on August 2nd, 2007 11:32 am

    Sunday Night Kumar Sanu and Alka Yagnik came to Vancouver and thankfully I was able to go to the show. Overall it was ok (5.5/10) but there were some great moments. Listening to Kumar Sanu sing “Ek Ladki Ko Dekha” and “Dheere Dheere Se Meri Zindagi Mein Aana” and “Mera Dil Bhi Kita Pagal Hai” all live (great rendititions, very spirited performance) was a fantastic experience. I was taken back to the years when growing up I was completely immersed in the filmi music of the 90’s. Many may argue that it wasn’t the best era for filmi music, agreed, but there were plenty of memorable songs. Songs that, when we hear them today, bring a sense of nostalgia. I loved the music then, and I love listening to it now.

    Then the best part of the show came. Kumar Sanu and Alka Yagnik did a mini-tribute to Kishore/Lata. Any lesser singers I’d cringe but I must say they did a commendable job.

    “Tere Mere Milan Ki Yeh Raina”, “Jaane Jaan Dhoondta Phir Raha” and “Tere Bina Zindagi Se Koi Shikwa To Nahin” amongst other gems totally touched my heart. It reminded me of what classic songs came out of the 60’s and 70’s.

    It’s not that the songs today don’t touch us or move us. Its just that the ones that do are few and far between. An “In Dino Dil Mera” from Metro or a “Tere Bin” from Bas Ek Pal or “Mitwa” from Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna or even a “Jhoom Barabar Jhoom” doesn’t come out of every album.

    We may not have Kishore and Rafi, but we do have Sonu Nigam, Kay Kay, Shaan, Kunal Ganjawala, Atif Aslam and others.

    I think music is improving. There was a downturn for a few years but now it seems to be back on an upswing. Let’s hope it gets even better over time.

25. Ankit on August 2nd, 2007 6:27 pm

    Why should we expect poetic lyrics in film songs. Character in our film do not speak poetic language any more. Current hindi literature scene is not bad if you are looking for poetry.

26. aditi on August 3rd, 2007 5:47 am

    Dipankar, aapne ne sahi kaha..MAHAUL — ham sab apne apne mahaul ke products hain aur hamara literature aur art or geet bhi…Sahir, Faiz, Makhdoom etc us daur ke mahaul se nikle
    Aaaj BAZAAR ka mahaul hai….!!!!

27. dipankar giri on August 3rd, 2007 5:56 am

    aditi….bazaar bistar de sakta hai nind nahi…paani de sakta hai pyaas nahi…humaari mitti humse alag hoti jaa rahi hai…kumhar ki kala khatre me hai…uske ghade ka akaar badal raha hai….jab art hi khatma hota chalaa jaayega..kya bachegaa..hum kya bechenge kya kharidenge..

28. Phoenixnu on August 3rd, 2007 6:08 am

    @Dipankar…dont agree fully. its all part of the cycle. there r many good lyricists these days also. just one example…there’s guy called munna dhiman. think he is very good. he wrote that nishbad rozana song. check out his song that he has written for singer sona’s album… abhi nahi aana. n what a beautiful thought. play it on infinite loop these days. u can watch it on utube also. so, its not the case of extreme.
    btw,so many gems in one post. great.
    n about kabir..m listening to agnee’s new song. i think its superb…kabira jab paida huye to jag hansa hum roye…aisi karni kar chalo, hum hanse jag roye..

29. vishrant on December 26th, 2007 9:31 am

    dipankar bhai ek bat sarasar kah sakta hoon ki kabhi apse milna ho gaya to aap bor kar denge.

    geet budhe hi nahien hote. mar bhi jate hain. khusro aaj bhi jinda hain. per khusro ko smjhane wale kitne hain. [-(

    cheej jitni unchi hoti hain. utni jayada uski umra hoti hai. per use samjhane wale utne hi kam hote hain.

    kahte hain jab eistien ne relativity ki theory di to poori duniya main sirf ek darjan log the jo use samjhte the.

    jo cheej jitni neechi hoti hai utni jiyada popular hoti hai, aur utni hi jaldi mar jati hai.

    kalidas aaj bhi hain. per kitno ke pass.

    ek filmi gane ki ausat umra do mahine se jiyada nahin hoti. use bathroom main gaya jata hai. wahien se bah bhi jata hai. apko kya lagata hai sameer amar ho jayenge.

    darasal filmi geton main gahrai talashna virodhabhas hai. ya to filmi geet bana leejiye jo popular ho. aur kuch din main mar jayein. ya gahri bat kah leejiye, per phir uske popular hone ke khawab mat dekhiye.

    ye jin gano ke apne charcha ki, ye sab apni umra se jayada ji chuke. kyon las ghaseet rahe hain. dafan keejiye.

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