How and where to draw the line ? Shaurya…
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….is it homage, inspiration or blatant plagiarism ? No, we are not new to all these terms. But with this week’s new release Shaurya, am again back to that old question.
As expected, according to Raja Sen’s review on Rediff, Shaurya is indeed A Few Good Men.
Item-song by superstar ex-girlfriend and ‘conscientious’ voice-over by superstar himself hop into the treatment, even as the script itself is completely stolen from master writer Aaron Sorkin.
Which doesn’t necessarily have to be a bad thing. The ethics of shameless plagiarism aside, the fact remains that tight and loyal adherence to a great script ensure a pretty watchable film, which is what happens to Shaurya for the most part as its characters consistently quote their Hollywood counterparts in verbatim translations, but in a misguided attempt at finding ‘original’ ground (and enough elbow room to say this film was about a different issue, and hence ‘not a lift’ in press interviews) Khan muddles up the endgame and makes this a painfully simplistic look at war crimes and communalism.
It seems the director Samar Khan and his writer have made all the cosmetic changes required to make it look different from AFGM. And the actor with the conscious voice Rahul Bose is lost this time. Why ? Check out this video……Mr Bose on Shaurya…..
So has the baton been successfully passed on to the Bellarys and Samar Khans from the veterans like Abbas-Mustan and Sanjay Gupta ? Or is it just good old HOMAGE to a film that you love so much, that everytime you sit down to write something, consicously or sub-consciously, you cant escape the thought of doing something similar to that one film which you have already seen million times.
As the tagline of Shaurya says…it takes courage to make right….right!! So, who is the odd man out in bollywood….the courageous one ? Ravi Chopra ? Yes, acoording to this report he has officially bought the rights of the film My Cousin Vinny and its being made in hindi as Banda Yeh Bindaas Hai starring Govinda and Tabu.
‘The film hardly looks like ‘My Cousin Vinny’. And still, we went out of our way to acquire the original’s rights. I’d advise other Bollywood directors to do the same before remaking a film. All it cost us is one percent of the total budget of the original film. And then no one points a finger at you,’ Chopra told IANS.
”Banda Yeh Bindaas Hai’ is now almost complete. And we haven’t retained too much of the original idea except the thought of young boys getting into legal trouble and being bailed out by a benevolent lawyer. The rest is all ours,’ he added.
Hopefully more people will go the Chopra way instead of fooling oneself and the rest of the world with words like homage, inspiration or whatever else fits in your dictionary.
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why can’t the call it a remake of AFGM …..they are making fool of themselves…..Rahul Bose is saying he has not seen AFGM …should be trust him ?? ….
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should we trust him ??…my bad
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WHAT DOES RAHUL BOSE MEAN WHEN HE SAYS HE DOESNT KNOW IF ITS A COPY OF “FEW GOOD MEN”???:-?:-?:-?
how can someone act in a complete film and not know the whole story and i cannot possibly buy the fact that mr.bose havent seen “few good men”.
i used to like this actor, at one time he was the only one who wanted to do different, experimental films, films which might not have been excellent but was almost never blatant copies like this one.
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Lol. First Rahul says he hasn’t watched the film and then he says Minisha’s character isn’t Demi Moore’s character. How would he know that if he hasn’t seen the film ?
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lol you are right.
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Rahul Bose sounds like an idiot. “good question, it’s a very good question…”
What does Samar Khan mean by “I really can’t get away too much?” Because it’s court room drama + army background, he was forced to copy AFGM?
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i read an interview by the writer who says the director samar khan approached him and said he had this idea ….haha ..what does he mean?..did he mean he had this DVD ???..in bollywood it seems ‘ i have an idea’ means ‘ i have a dvd’ …a few good men not only is an immensly good movie but had some of the best performances with jack nicholson toping the list , and ofcourse rahul bose is lying when he says he hasnt seen the movie ..i dont understand why these actors stand up for such directors and such films …are we so bankrupt on ideas ..or the ones with ideas dont have th power to execute them ???…why rahul bose aamir khan has so often put his reputation on line in defence of copied films ..like he did with ghajani ..aamir claims he had not wtzhced memento …even the director had not when he wrote the script ..who are you fooling??
as far as shaurya is concerned ..one look at the promos and u know where its coming from ….look at kay kay menon , he even borrowed his performnace from jack nicholson …i mean i havent seen teh film but just one shot in the promo…
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Isnt rahul Bose contradicting himself here..he says he hasnt seen the AFGM and then wen asked, how is it different from AFGM, he says..their is no Demi character?
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the body language of Rahul Bose gives it away. His repeating ‘its a good question’ ‘its a valid question’ comes from a brain desperately trying to offer a valid defence.
However from the uncomfortable replies by RB and SK, it appears that the producer was not comfortable admitting the AFGM influence (obviously or he’d be sued) and leaned on the team to negate that idea.
My advice in such situations would have been to say ‘See our film and decide for yourselves’ which leaves the door wide open to interpretation.
R Choprs has set a good precedent, hope more of them follow suit. If not anything, the makers of ‘Partner’ definitely owe ‘Hitch’.
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Quote of the week-
Rahul Bose looks at his own poster & says
“This Guy Looks like Tom Cruise”
Runner up quote also goes to him -
“Good Question, Good Question”
2nd runner up also goes to Rahul Bose -
“I have never seen A FEW GOOD MAN”
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a quote which wasnt in the run but i’ll put it here anyways…
” RAHUL BOSE COME BACK, U ARE LOOSING IT”
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funny that the whole world knows that Shaurya is a copy of a Few good men but that creep taran adarsh does not and goes and gives it a good review!!! or is it that goodies have exchanged hands or maybe since samar khan was also a journalist so the bhaichara is apparent..taran is the most unscrupulous critic on this planet..if at all he can be called a critic. He is ‘in the business’ of being a critic like some are in the business of having a grocery store! assH)(*
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I always thought Rahul Bose as a sensible guy for his choice of roles…but not any more..Couldn’t make out from what angle he looked like Tom Cruise in the poster.:-?
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To answer the question posed in the title.. where do we draw the line… its simple enough really..
Either:
A) Pay the royalties to buy the rights for the original and then do an official remake. That’s what Sunil Doshi (Bheja Fry) and Ravi Chopra (Banda Yeh Bindaas Hai) did. INHO, it considerably raises the credibility, and dignity, of the project.
B) Be inspired by the overall story/theme/characters but give the film such an original, independant treatment that it becomes a whole new cinematic experience. Cases in point are aplently, both in India and Hollywood. Recent Hindi films are of course Vishal Bharadwaj’s Maqbool and Omkara or Navdeep Singh’s Manorama. My personal favorite is Gulzar’s Angoor. Bhai-wah!
I’m sure we can all names others (please do, I think it makes for a very interesting list
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Either way you’re taking the inspiration from one central point (a film, literature, etc) but you’re respecting the original material while giving your film your own personal touches.
Anything less than this is NOT homage or inspiration but blatant plageurism. And we as an audience need to start rejecting cheap ripoffs outright. As longs as we are accepting them (and making them superhits as we’ve seen with Partner and other films) WE are the ones giving filmmakers the creative license to do so.
Of course, there is another route altogether:
C) Put your damn balls to the wall and create something original. This takes guts, because you can never be sure how an audience will react. But at least its completely YOUR film.
Personally I think route C (and even B) are the only routes through which a filmmaker or screenplay writer can truly earn respect and credibility. Anyone can just rip-off and recreate an already successful film.
Just wish more filmmakers would strive for the respect, that pride. And a larger chunk of the audiences would award originality and provide a source of motivation for filmmakers in India to be more creative.
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@tony mera naam…bheja fry was jst plagiarised. nobody bought the rights.
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Phoenixnu, are you sure? I’m positive that I had read that Sunil Doshi bought the rights for the French film “The Dinner Guest” (unsure of the French name).
Was it Anurag Kashyap that had written that?? Hmmm…
If I come across the story I’ll be sure to add the link under this post…
Until then, I guess Mr. Doshi and Mr. Ballary are going to be presumed guilty until proven innocent.. ;)
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To continue Tony’s list :
I thought Chachi 420 was a good remake / Indianized version of Mrs. Doubtfire. I prefer the desi version any day.
I sometimes feel originality is a little over-rated. For someone who hasn’t watched AFGM, it doesn’t make a difference. I’m not quite sure who Shaurya is targeted towards. But a movie like Partner was clearly targeted towards the masses, the aam junta. My guess is that most of them haven’t seen Hitch (FYI, I had watched Hitch before I walked in for Partner. I ended up walking out of Partner in 30 minutes) For someone who hasn’t seen Hitch, what difference does it make if Partner is original or not?
I watched Life in a Metro last year with a friend. We both really enjoyed it. Last week, when I told him that Sharman’s story about the apartment was ‘borrowed’ from The Apartment, it seemed to turn him off even though he hasn’t seen The Apartment; it’s like he lost respect for LIAM. (I plan to watch the original one tomorrow. Luckily for me, there’s a multiplex which is playing it on the big screen as part of a classics series. Can’t wait for it.)
Personally, I never mind watching something that is copied. Sometimes I do it just to see how well it’s copied; unfortunately, most of them aren’t copied well which is probably why most of them don’t work!
Long back, I was browsing about on TV and got hold of Ek Ruka Hua Faisla. I loved it and thought what a great concept it was, how did it even get made in Bollywood. Then a few years later, I found out that it was inspired by Twelve Angry Men, which was just as awesome, if not better. I went looking for a copy of the Hindi version, which is very hard to find, just to see how similar it was. It is exactly the same! But I still like both. Have I lost respect for Basu Chatterjee? Of course not! He’s made so many other good films.
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@Tony
http://passionforcinema.com/the-new-wave-is-comingbheja-fry-and-manorama-six-feet-under/
(comment #15)
I thought Bheja Fry was a very cheap film, like 60 lakhs or something. Isn’t buying the rights of a film a pretty expensive affair?
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@tony n pratik…am 200 percent sure. when anurag wrote that piece he was under teh wrong impression. they were planing to buy the rights but nevere did it. becz of budget or whatver.
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hmmn let me get this straight:
They make a movie about moral uprightness and blatantly rip off a hollywood movie?
The story is original, characters are original but the dialogues are lifted from a completely unrelated movie called ‘A Few Good Men’?
Rahul Bose hasn’t watched ‘A Few Good Men’ but knows that there is no Demi Moore character in the movie?
The movie is a courtroom drama, the least they could have done is to prepare their defence before they face the press and are asked these questions.
That stammering fool plays a lawyer?!!!
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i have not watched ek ruka hua faisla, and my knowledge of indian juidcial system is pretty limited but as far as i know, we DON’T HAVE A JURY SYSTEM in india.
how does one copy 12 angry men to an indian setting?
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There was jury system in India till 1960, but was abandoned after the landmark Nanavati case.
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Both Parinda and Ghulam were taken from On the Waterfront. But where Vidhu Vinod Chopra, just took the original story, and suitably, altered and modified it to the Indian context, Vikram Bhatt simply did a Ctrl C-Ctrl V job with Ghulam. Many scenes in On the Waterfront were blatantly copied in Ghulam, right down to the hero being a boxer, and the hero’s brother working for the local Mob chieftain. The only thing Vikram Bhatt did not copy was Brando’s I could have been a contender dialogue.
3 Deewarein’s story was based on the Shawshank Redemption, with Naseer’s character corresponding to Red’s and Nagesh’s character corresponding to that of Andy’s. But Nagesh Kukunoor wonderfulyl adapted it and you really dont feel you are watching a copy paste effort.
When you are speaking of inspiration, i guess we have two kinds here. One where the directors take the concept of the original story, and then totally adapt it to Indian context, giving their own spin around it. Movies like Lagaan( Escape to Victory), 3 Deewarein( Shawshank Redemption), Parinda( On the Waterfront) come to mind here.
The second kind is where directors simply lift the original movie scene by scene. That IMO is totally unaceptable to me. Ur just copying and cheating. Too many movies to name, but yeah Vikram Bhatt’s Kasoor is one of the best example i can give. Lawyers dont wear skirts and blouses to work in India Mr.Bhatt, are you too lazy to even look at that fact. Honestly most of Vikram Bhatt’s movies are simply copy paste jobs from the original. Ghulam was one of his few decent movies though i guess primarily because of Aamir Khan.
And yeah you have cases where movies like Lolita, Memento, Old Boy are partially adapted, because no way u can have a total copy of those movies, way too radical for Indian audiences. Honestly i dont understand why Aamir Khan had bought the rights for Ghazini, it is a vastly overrated movie. Surya had done much better movies like Kakkha Kakkha, Pithamagan and Nanda in his career.
A vast majority of the movies have been inspired in some way or other from other movies. The key i think is in the way you adapt it. Unfortunately most Indian directors dont bother, they simply do a copy and paste jobs. And that is why even when we have a movie like Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander(Breaking Away) or Andaz Apna Apna(Dirty Rotten Scoundrels), which are really good remakes comming, people still dont give them the credit they deserve.
Honestly i have lost all respect for Rahul Bose. I thought he was one of the few sensible persons in the industry. But his statements sound so infantile in this case.
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@dabba
The way I look it is : it’s a good cinematic experience. Isn’t that what matters in the end? Did it ever strike me that India doesn’t have a jury system while I was watching it? It didn’t, and frankly it doesn’t matter.
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Cmon Andaz apna apna was pure original… now these kinda movie’s stories may sound similar with many more movies… these are not out of the box concepts to copy… its just similar… not copy…
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I have seen people copying popular movie of hollywood. And then try to indianize it. But the most amazing effort of copying was done by Shasilal nair’s “Ek choti si love story”. He even copied the movie name. It was a direct lift from “A short film about love”. I am writing this because it is easy to lift AFGM and indianize it. But here I was seeing my first indian movie which was a copy of an artistic movie rather than popular timepass hollywood stuff. I dont think that indian audience would have accepted even “A short film about love”. And since nair’s effort was a cheap copy, it failed. Will anyone remake “Pather Panchali”, “Bicycle Theif”,
“La strada”…..its not going to work.
Therefore Nair stands tall in my list of “copy directors”:d
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why dont filmaker says
“ya its Remake of ‘A Few Good Men’”
so pathetic
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The denial by samar khan and rahul bose that this is not a substantial copy of AFGM, just put them in a very bad position for future projects. Most hollywood guys are likely to give permission for re-makes. Even scene copies, because some of the scenes from movies are so well done, that they need to be shown to the Indian public in our language. But take permission and give the original makers the credit.
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Thanks Pratik for the link. And I agree, Chachi 420 was good.
Phoenixnu, bhaiya, I’m not sure of the inside story. But, as we can all see from the link Pratik provided, Anurag was working on a project with Sunil Doshi at the time he was purchasing the rights of all those films, so I’m sure he would have the inside scoop.
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Shekhar, its simple: If they announced its a remake, and they didn’t purchase the rights to the film, they are opening themselves up for a lawsuits and a tonn of bad publicity.
Otherwise they are capatalizing on the ignorance of the general public. Its true that we’re a film-crazy culture but think about it, how many people are actually informed about which projects are copied from which films? Its so bad I think most people just go for a film expecting it to be copied for one or more sources. Its just another sad reality they’ve learnt to live with…
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How nice to see all such esteemed people here, who have seen such a plethora of world cinema… and now are also moral judges of what are the issues and the ethics of adaptations/ lifts/ copies/ xeroxes/homages…
I don;t think any of us or actually anyone anywhere can sit as a moral judge on this issue. it’s not even tangible enough to debate… let’s say for a moment that the movie was copied frame to frame (which it wasn’t by any stretch of imagination or the most fertile kind… and those who claim so, should actually go and see AFGM), my BIG question is “What is the problem in it?” “What is your big grudge/ your big moral issue?” Would one plate in the beginning of a film claiming ‘adapted from Aaron Sorkin’s AFGM’ put your accusations to rest? And even if not… then what is it that you are looking for? You want original works! Agreed! respected! Saluted!!! But why? For what joy? People… the originality debate is a bit passe now… it’s a bit redundant and a bit of a non-issue… ever since a Gentleman called William Shakespeare ‘lifted’ a folklore called ‘Pyramus and Thisbe’ and called it ‘Romeo and Juliet’…
What si a lift? What is an adaptation? What is an homage? The lines are too thin, here…
I feel, personally, that a story is just an excuse to get into spaces… to enter debates and areas in this world, open discussions about the world we live in… And Shaurya does exactly that! In such a shockingly amazing way!!! Its a pity that your hours spent on HBO has blinded you to what Shaurya addresses… and guess what? No other film in the history of this country ahs been ablke to look at our armed forces with such brutality yet such dignified respect… what a balance, by the director of the film… But alas, you have seen AFGM and the earth stopped rotating ever since. Such sheer pity!!!
But i guess we live in cynical times and your comments and the piece by Phoenixn’who?’ is just a poor reflection of that apathetic cynicism. I would say, its a blunder… a disaster for you all to have reacted like this and created a debate against a film that talks about YOUR country in such an honest and brutal way… the armed forces that YOU pay taxes for… Cinema is not sloganeering, but then again Life’s also not just a party! So… in the words a famous poet ‘Grow up!”
This adaptation debate brings to my mind a few films… all of them classics and absolute favourites of mine were all ‘rehashes’
Sholay from sven samurai, lagaan from ‘escape to victory’ and recently rang de Basanti from ‘Jesus in Montreal’… sure we all have access to DVD parlours… the new consumerist India is a great place for yuppies to thrive… But just a small request… like the makers of Shaurya who used their brains even after watching AFGM and made a fine adaptation of it… you should use yours too… cause very soon, this debate you’re having here could turn to the area of the absurd and end up looking like a yahoo chat…
Oh and… saw the movie in a packed house today… people got up and clapped… and I realised… wow! This movie’s done its job! Hoe many movies can we talk about which actually did that?
Oops and also, The God (as most people here would definitely agree) Martin Scorcese’s first Academy award was for a film called ‘The departed’, a ‘rehash’ of a film called ‘Infernal Affairs’… Now now now… I know the Hollywood mainstream recognition is another debate altogether, but this trivia has its own bite and had to share it with you all…
peace
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@Rachna
Indulge my curiosity if you will. Did you work on the film or are connected to the cast and crew by any chance ?
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@Rachna
The Emperor has no clothes!!
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Rachna… You’re right about one thing..
“that a story is just an excuse to get into spaces
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Rachnaji…ha ha ha ha ha. thnx for such a nice comment and all ur suggetions. shit i never thought about it. n about growing up…let me be kid n play the colour matching game. its good fun. try it out. And if sholay, lagaan n RDB are inspired,copied or whatever it is, then why not shaurya ?? ya ya…it takes courage to make things right…right or whatver it is. and one more thing…hav the same query as mithun. r u there rachna ??
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It’s amazing how some people defend plagiarism ,even more so how they defend second rate work and call it entertainment ,the souls of Ray ,Bimal Roy and Ghatak must be mourning up in the heavens.
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Speaking of plagiarism, I saw teasers of U, Me aur Hum and got a feeling ki it might be “inspired” by The Notebook or 50 First Dates, for that matter. I hope its not..
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Well i ws telling my friend how Pritam is intelligent in stealing korean n turkish songs tht we wont evr hear and making money… he said “but its gud for us na? we wud hav never otherwise listened to those tunes”
for a sec i ws dumbstruk by tht innocence and then continued with some moral dialogues like “its worng… u got to draw line… or y is Pritam paid for stealing…. director can buy CDs on some DJs advice (may be in future we can have Music/Movie Consultant – who guides u buy rare movies to ripoff)”
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The Indian film industry has AIDS.
Yes, A-I-D-S.
As in, ACQUIRED INTERNATIONAL DVD SYNDROME.
The only way to put a full stop to all the copycats like Mahesh Bhatt, Sanjay Gupta, Samar Khan, Sagar Bellary, Pritam, etc is to stop giving them media space and time.
Am tired of seeing these so called ‘creative geniuses’ pfaffing all over the multitudinous ‘bollywood buzz’ shows on TV proclaiming how ‘different’ their film is.
Yeah sure!
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@Amit36… It seems to have heavy overtones of The NoteBook. Atleast the part where… the woman forgets everything and the guy reads her their own story… everyday.
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I think this whole issue with plagiarism finds its roots in our belief that the “plot” of a movie is essential to its making..
Plagiarism is directly related to our over-reliance on plots. Plots arent essential at all if u ask me. Movies shud have synopsis-es that truly explain their tones and characters derived out of acute real-life observations rather than a two-line description that gives an overview of what to expect..
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@rachna
can you please tell from where AFGM was copied from?
that was made from someone’s imagination, right? yes, it would make a lot of difference if there is a plate at the beginning of the film that it is adapted. atleast idiots like samar khan (only calling him this because he refused to accept the obvious ‘inspiration’) won’t claim intellectual ownership of the idea. should i be sorry for the fact that instead of remaining ignorant i choose to entertain myself by watching great movies from world cinema on dvds?
a movie like memento was made from mr jonathan nolan’s analysis of anterograde amnesia in his psychology class, instead of watching the dvd of ghajini.
and fyi, intellectual theft is looked down upon in the rest of the world. would you like it if someone stole your brilliant original idea and made hay with it. plz do one thing, watch ek doctor ki maut to see the effects of intellectual theft.
bottomline, i’ve made it a point to support piracy because of the stand of our dvd directors. does samar khan have any right to tell me that i should not watch his movie on pirated dvd? after all i’m still getting the ‘important’ issue the movie has raised. because after all, in your own logic, the medium, cinema hall or dvd is just an excuse to get into spaces. right?
tell u what, no one can stop samar khan from copying works beyond his creative grasp otherwise, but then no one can stop me from calling samar khan a thief, because that’s what he is. so will he support me watching his movie on pirated dvd? no, he won’t. he can’t handle the truth……
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Sreehari, plots aren’t essential to a movie? I would have understood had you said a movie isn’t only abt plot. But you digress into Mahesh Bhatt mould so. effortlessly that it seems criminal to point that to you.
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rachna,
its not about whats the problem with copying? its about whats the problem with being original? what are we here for? is it not to explore…life…in a way ourselves…discovering ourselves…every topic we read, feel observe.if we allow it to stimulate us…move us….affect us..it will come out in some form that will reflect the contemperory world around us plus our personality’s unique take on it…we develp it..we make it..and then we see it..and we say..hey..that came out of me? i didn’t know i had that inside me…this wonderful exploratory journey cannot happen with someone else’s idea lifted..being original is as important or unimportant as that…depends on us…
the second reason in my opinion is bieng original or copying as a ‘qaum’ basically reflects on our self esteem, our pride…what makes us think that someone else’s idea is better than what we could think….why does samar have to bow down in front of a AFGM ( as good as it is), and say can’t do better that that….unless if he is given up..lost self esteem…what’s a filmmaker without self esteem..how will he have a point of view..in fact, i’d say we have very few ‘filmmakers’…..
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Prashanth,
Lol.. Ok.. This is what they call “Imposed Schizhophrenia” I guess.. hehe… (Faking a sense of being cool.. just to show how different I am from Mr. Bhatt)
But that doesnt change my stance… Plot isnt as important as it is often perceived. In fact plot in cinema shud be an excuse to utilise and stretch the medium as the director wishes to..
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:-)
whaddaya know. people are talking about ‘plot’.
and i just finished “Once”.
rather than plot, it was more like ‘documenting happenstance’.
lyrical!!!
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I like being likened to Mahesh Bhatt waise. There is something very divine about it I guess..
You just turn on the TV and put on 4 different News Channels and there u see Mr. Bhatt on all the 4 channels at the same time talking about some issue or the other..
If God was all about omnipresence…. I guess Mr. Bhatt qualifies to be called “God”
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@Amit
hey!plagiarism
from what I have seen and read of the movie, it seems to be a copy of the Korean movie ‘a moment to remember’starring Son Yeh Jin.Even the age at which the heroines are found to be suffering from Alzheimer’s disease is the same,i.e. 27! for those of you who dont know, here is the link :
http://www.lovehkfilm.com/panasia/moment_to_remember.htm.
i had a lot of respect for Ajay Devgan;not anymore. the least he could ahve done is to reveal where he got his ‘inspiration’ from? do film makers seriously believe that the audience is dumb and ha sno knowledge of Asian Cinema and World Cinema?
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