Lets LYNCH Anurag K
WARNING: the following excerpt in no way contains Spoilers for the movie. Simply because there no tangible way of doing that. However you may be better off watching the movie before reading the rants of T and D below, simply cuz it would make more sense. If you don’t care about any warnings just read on…. But let me warn you it’s a pretty long road ahead, get a glass of your favorite beverage before you take the ride
Prelude: D meets T at P F C and they go to watch K. D and T being Ms, they make a note to head to the nearest Billabong regardless of what K might have in store for them. After Ks antics, change in plan. D and T reckons it might be a better idea to head to D’s flat with some rum than burn their pockets drinking all night at the Billabong.
Then another brain wave- D decides it would be a great idea to record the whole evening. So there with the mobile setup to record 60 mins D and T goes full on into.. (well being proper Ms here, they get to the talk only after the drinks are set up)
D-hmm, so what do you think?
T- expectation wise.. if you look at it.. it was… I’d say it was way above any expectation… i was expecting…
D- a bit less?
T- yeah a bit less
D-same thing here, cuz of all the promos interviews and everything.. i thought anurag was making thoda hatke movie but in a commercial format.
T- hmm and nahin… i guess it pretty much turned out like what he wanted..
D- I remember reading somewhere that he said he was tweaking somewhere to make it more commercial or acceptable, I maybe wrong here..
i didn’t see anything commercial… hahaha (guffaws away) u should have seen the faces of the 3 people behind us eheheh
T- yea that would be the typical reaction …i can tell him now, this is not gonna work in india
D -nope NEVA EVA gonna work there
T- those guys almost left man.. “maa chudaaye chalte hain”
D – but they stayed till the end.. probably cuz they didn’t have anything to do.. or mabe they came to see bhool bhulaiyya and missed the show so they came in to see no smoking .. time pass ke liye…
T- and one guy left before the bipasha song started..you know.. funny though the movie ended about the time he got up ?
D – but you know i think Anurag majorly is kinda laughing at a lotta people right now..
T- no! i don’t think so. i think he is pretty serious guy. I don’t think he is doing anything sarcastic or anything along those lines
D – i didn’t mean it that way.. not in a derogatory sense ..
I mean he is laughing at the world, his own world..
did u really believe that he thought this movie will work in india? cuz in most of the interviews he talks and sounds very positive about its chances u know..
T- interesting.. he was very positive but watching it straight away u can say it’s not gonna work .i don’t think he would have truly believed this is gonna work..
i DONT EVEN need a few minutes to think this over…i can say this straightaway its not gonna work…
nothing like what we indians are used to..
D – yea…funny thing is u know i think he was saying this is more of his language, adapted to his country and he was kind of sure that it may not work for the western audience.
i guess he kind of figures that they have seen better and not just that – I think he was pretty sure they wouldn’t understand it …
cuz there’s a lot of … i don’t know if you noticed.. there’s a lot of small references..indian references …bollywood references…
dialogues which he has pumped into the script..for instance,
there’s thing about gulzar.. beedi jalaile and suddenly it cuts to ranveer talking on the phone “kya maqbool, main hoon na” or something to that effect
T- what? I didn’t get it?
D – ranveer is actually abbas tyrewala who scripted maqbool and main hoon na
T- oh ok
D – so there are these unnecessary ref…. not unnecessary but references littered all around the movie .. funny like hell .. some which i didn’t realize and some which i did.. but most of them are purely personal in anurag’s case.
T- yeah… i.. really … all those went right above my head.. see im not into or in touch with the shit going on in bollywood. so the whole bollywood industry bits u know ,it went above my head..
T- the few references which i didn’t get was the water one.. why water is so important u know.. whats the deal with him going in to the water.. as if coming out into a different reality..yeah …whats .. with the water portal ??!!..
D – hahaha WATAPORTAL ehehe it suddenly reminded me of PROPAGANJA eheheh just the way u said it (guffaws away)
T- actually i should be talking about the tub but the water got to me …tub is more of the gateway.. what the fuck was tht… what does that signify u know..??
there are few references i didnt get .. cuz it signifies something in film language.. but u know i didnt get that…
D – hmmm
T- and… if u think about it entertainment wise he has to go either entertaining or
D – full on commercial??..
T- like full on commercial or he has to go full on intellectual..into the kafka shit man or full on art house
he fucked around .. he was kinda wavering between these 2 and he came up with this monster child which is neither here nor there.. u know..
D – hmm ok i get that.. i pretty much agree with u on tht
T- u know his movie is not deep.. not deep enough.. it pretends to be deep but its not.. and it pretends to entertain but it doesn’t entertain (in the commercial sense)
Effort wise it is right up there… fuck there’s nothing endearing about this movie to stand up and clap about . but are we talking about normal bollywood fare now?
if we were well No smoking wins hands down but NO!!
if we take it objectively its neither here nor there..
D – eXActly man.. i don’t know .. he pretty much got everything wrong in that sense.. u know if he was trying to make a movie- a thinking entertainer of sorts- for the masses…in india .. u know..
T- yea yea but THAT aside.. that quibble aside.. he has done a technically brilliant movie.. and a fucking good movie u know.. second half is very engaging.. even though (guffaws away)eheh u don’t get what the fukk is he gonna do .. but (he can’t stop laughing) eheheheh the way he made the later half ..
u know… u don’t care… cuz i didn’t care about reason.. about what the fuck it was the reason at that point in time.. while the first half i was thinking why the fukk did he do this.. why did he do that..
second half i was totally sold to this fucking idea… it was like whatever whereever he wants to take me ..
yeah hell he can take me..you don’t need to concentrate there cuz he made it so well…
D-u remember? there’s was this pretty lame.. not lame but mediocre CGI thing when ranveer gets his finger back u know it’s certainly not keeping up with the fine work in rest of the movie..
T- yea yea that whole.. fIRST OF ALL I WOULD HAVE PREFERED the character K not to have a girlfriend, wife, or anyprevious relationship… it should be as if he came to the world all by himself
D- and he doesn’t realize what the fukk he is there for..
T- with no previous connections anywhere..he just landed somwhere in an environment and THEn everything happens..and he meets his people his girlfriend u know.. not previously they were married and all…
no HISTORy u know.. he should have just poppped up .. no friends like that tyrewala guy
and he shouldnt have been his friend –
a stranger he met ..yes fine .. but not his yaar!!
D- u know what- it would have been great if he took gajraj raos character – u know the loudmouth outside the restaurant- u should have taken that guy and..
T- yea yea ye a he could have extended that storyline
D- then he says “haan tereko chodna hai tho ye le” or something like that and he gives the card and things go from there.
T- exactly.. then u see we think this guy is not real either.. whereas his friend IS..
in that case he could have picked up that finger thread u know it would have been believable.. u know.. now u are thinking this guys is not real as well u know..
the guy he met.. but since u know the friend is real.. it doesn’t make sense (the finger growing back on and that kinda funda doesn’t make any sense)
cuz u r thinking the absurdity, the fucking weirdness happening from the perspective of K not thru the eyes of anyone else
D- yea
T- other people should be incidental..they should be part of the fukin absurdity..
D- i think thats where he is trying this ‘communicate with the masses thingy’ which he has been harping about..he might have thought making such pretenses might make the movie a bit more coherent to the masses.. u know .. like a added narrative feel
T- yeah yeah u know that sure is what wrecked it…
trying to get this movie to connect..
yeah yeah that’s where i think he lost it…
T- u know this is kind of a milestone.. in terms of a movie it’s not a masterpiece or a great movie.. but D- hell it’s a FUCKING BEAUTIFUL MILESTONE and pretty TALL too but masterpiece?nowhere near it.. this pretty much lands where nowhere land is..
u said something about the K’s social connection angle u know i had an issue with the secretary wife angle.. something in the end – he tries to manufacture into a subplot /surprise twist or something
T- i don’t know. hang on what’s that secretary angle shit? i didn’t get it… i missed out.. i didn’t get the relevance
what’s that shit? what’s with the dumb bimboish blond take.. by someone whose not a dumb blond…
i didn’t quite get it..
then there’s both of them in the gym and out of the blue John asks – do u smoke after sex.. what’s with that, i mean?? where did that come from ??
T- yeah a few things like that u know.. a few things.. like the Bob Fosse one.. if you are gonna make a Bob fosse reference don’t write BOB FOSSE there ..
it’s so obviously bob fosse and then u get the bollywood dance and shit… so take the reference and put CABAREt or something like that on top of the dance floor..and they can dance any shit they want as long as they get the costumes right..
so if u write bob fosse then peope who know bob fossee are gonna expect that style…u know..
D i havent seen Bob fosse show or have no idea about it till this movie.. but then i think again he is coming to the watered down versions of things u know.. not full on .. not out there… which never ever is gonna work with the western audience ..
plus man the whole song was packed with stuff. From the proms I was expecting something more seamless.. here you have Jesse then adnan then the wife and then the captions and then the secretary … its again one of those moments where u feel things are being forced a bit.
T- no no no i think he s been to new york and he is got this influences of broadway and all that
but fosse dance is not vulgar.. it’s a special dance u know.. i m not really sure but i just caught something on tv recently… but again i feel the ‘pretentiousness’ in the air u know… it’s like saying u know kathakali and showing break dance or something
D- with the dancers in a kathakali costume ?
T- yeah yeah ?
D – but u know it might work. let’s not judge that particular clip… in .. i mean i kinda read that that particular Song was never intended to be there in the first place… it was never there when the whole thing was conceptualized..
T- doesnt matter it smacks off again pretentiousness’ u know – it feels like he forces the fucking references to be cool.. but he doesn’t NEEd to do it…
D – OK fine.. but that’s entirely his prerogative I feel .. u never know why and how this song was finally put into the picture..but i love his take though maaan ?hehehhe
T- ? Jesse miming adnan’s voice thats fucking good man it’s like a reversal of playback singing. he is making fun of this playback singing shit.
D – that’s what i was saying earlier.. it seems like he is having a laugh making fun of a lot of people..
T – it’s not making fun.. how do u call it..it’s more like parodying the bollywood genre..
it’s like if u parody it – how would u visualize it??
and there u get a girl singing in a boys voice ? so u flip the gender quotient here in terms of play back
? its awesome man.. well i think that was it.
dunno,
mebe it wasn’t probably intentional.. mebe it was more stylistic rather than a parody.. but hell i loved it ?
D- I sure as hell hoped he would use the thought bubble thing really sparingly – like just in the club song or something. It’s really littered everywhere. Again bumps on the smooth exquisite carpet scenario, u can’t help lie down on it but the bumps irritate the hell out of u
D- So what do u get at the end of the movie ? what do u take home with u??
T – the end was pretty shitty, it reminded me of the ring..
D- The Ring!!!?? it reminded u of the RING??! The movie .. its visuals kinda reminded me of the Cell man.. but the RIng??!! ??!!!
T -the rings is like someone watches the video and in the end the protagonist is trying to get someone else to watch it cuz he is in deep shit u know..
that part reminded me of the ring where john is trying to get someone else to do the prayogshala so he can get his fingers back..
D-actually that was not needed .. not needed at all..
T – yeah that kind of makes it another stupid story like ring where u know they take for a ride and in the end its like KLPD eheheh
D-? i feel this is again one of those watering downs he has done… eheheh
T – yeah u know i think we missed the twist ..u know remember the part where K is standing on one side of the glass all suited up with his soul or whatever it is watching from the other side…
that time he has got all his fingers intact right?
that means he has surrendered himself to whatever paresh rawal wanted…
Baba Bengali his wife and the rest of the crowd are like Bollywood. and john abraham is anurag u know.. the others -YR and others are forcing him to be a certain way..
D- hahahaha thats complete wacko jacko idea man ? .thats like taking it way too far ehehhe
T – no no listen …. John says i will do what i want to do when Baba asks him to quit smoking.. to destroy well ‘his soul’..
D- !!!! is that how u took it?? i thought this was basically ..
T-no no im telling u man this is it!!! this is a personal movie for anurag .. the last scene where he lost his fingers says that he didn’t surrender his soul. something like that .. u know mebe not…
but i think there’s something there in terms of Paresh and his crowd telling him to conform or make him into what he doesn’t want to be instead what they want him to be
u know he is in this .. the whole thing is a struggle and he is fighting….
D- awright awright I don’t think he took it that far, but hey we know what ‘K’ stands for right ? eheh Kashyap!! ?
do u remmeber the Baba voiceovers when this particular scene takes place?
T- yeah yeah he repeated the earlier dialogues of paresh .. cuz.. i had this feeling when the first scene was soo descriptive (paresh lecturing john at first) that this is gonna come back at us with some kinda meaning attached to it.. u know.. otherwise its really not needed…. i dont know about the atma the other and stuff like that ..
but there was a significance to it there… thats y it was there…
D-significance fine..
T- significance as in later u are supposed to find out and go ‘ooh yeah i get it now’ kinda scene
D-but my question was whether u actually understood it in term s of what anurag is trying to say to u or not . it pretty much figured in the his scheme of things of making the viewer understand the movie or giving the viewer a cue to understand the whole movie ? or NOT
T- ?
D-otherwise i don’t see why the voiceover should be there – he could have left it as ambiguous as it can be..he could have left it with a comma or say 3 dots than a full stop.. ? I love the 3 dots man ? so much better than a full stop !!!
but i see this whole voiceover thing being developed into introducing a full stop to the proceedings…a sort of THE END to the movie for whoever is watching the movie
same as your take on john trying to get another guy into the prayogshala to get his fingers back…
T- but i don’t think its connected to paresh rawal’s explanation of what’s happening.. u know that he ended up in that dungeon when u know everyone is lining up to take a shower
what u see and why he is there is being explained by Baba.
D- i don’t think it was explained at all..cuz it was fucking confusing for me to try and interpret what is being shown and ..
T – i think it was could have been so simple but he made it soo complicated
the guy left his soul they destroyed his soul he left his soul behind his real self, the guy whose independent who wants to smoke, he left him behind.
the new guy whose standing there is a different guy altogether
so baba is using this atma pramatma .. or some shit like ..
the soulless being is dead and the soul is alive it’s like he is making it too complicated.
if u listen to what he is saying and check out the scene it won’t make any sense
but if u think in terms of he leaving his real self behind and he finding his new self where he has surrendered his will to Baba and his wife. now he does what they want him to do.. now he is not the old K anymore.
the old K is in a dungeon that i guess is the whole point of that thing
but he had this atma thing running in the background that u get lost in that thing
D- what?? dont tell me u actually got lost in that thing i was pretty much lost even other wise and was basically trying to figure out what was being shown u know. i was constantly reminding myself to listen to the voice over so that i can make sense or rather not miss out on some cues that might be there to make me understand..
its really hard to focus on that when u r trying to figure out whats happening on screen u know..
T- the voiceover- i simply overlooked it.. i knew this was what he is saying so i just concentrated on whats being shown.. the guys smoking up and the digital WIpe thing which keeps happening u know ? no fukin problem with that u know ehhe
D- pretty well done ..
T yeah very well done ?
T – cuz at that time i didn’t really care.. i didn’t care why he is dissolving into thin air and shit.. I’m thinking fukk this is good and hell i like it whatever it is ?
D- yeha yeah
that said u know we talked out about somethings just simply jarring here and there… you kind of felt the same way didn’t u ? do u remember those scenes?
ok the funny thing first.. all those scenes were in the first half the second half is not jarring at all.. it’s a seamless flow.
T- Exactly…
D- i think the jarring things came up when he was trying to make things fit into a particular pattern and..
T- i think it happened when he was developing the story, right?
he got the flow right in the second part but the developing stage of the story, he is like accelerating it to get to the story in itself to go for the cruiiiiiise and that accelerating part was pretty dodgy ..
to get it all into the smooth and running phase u have these few bumps or loose ends
D- i remember one in the lift scene where he lunges and pushes the button to stop the lift with the old lady inside.. i can’t put my finger on it and say what exactly made me wince.. i gotta see this again for that ?
D-anyway lets get back to Kafka and No Smoking. u have read more kafka than me.. so go ahead.
T- i feel Kafka in no smoking is superficial. superficial connection between the movie and Kafka there’s nothing deeper here. Absurdity is fucking deeper than this mate.
Absurdity for absurdities sake ..
some shit popping up and stuff we can say its absurd. but absurdity like Albret Camus say is different from what anurag wants to say. or what kafka is saying.
absurdity of normal existence, thats what!! no bull shit like magical realism he is dealing with absurdity of normal existence like our life absurd.. like the absurdity of our life. thats it plain and simple.
im really scared that anurags hasn’t got absurdity yet.
im not saying he is absurd. i am saying he hasn’t got absurdity concept what Kafka is saying.. mebe i am wrong .. mebe it doesnt matter
cuz the movie doesn’t say.. .
the movie says that he doesn’t understand what absurdity is.
absurdity of existence is not what the movie gives u or the message the movie has. the message of castle and trial is absurdity of existence. u know this movie doesn’t give that message at all.
D- but then he doesn’t say that its all kafka. kafkesque is what he has said.
?Fukk man the reference of K is soo obvious man
T -?its too much eheh even the bob fosse crap man ? too good hell this is gold man are u recording it (t suddenly has a reality trip away from the bacardi he is nursing)
yeah this is the 2 mistakes he has got OVERTly referencing some shit and projecting some other crap which has no connections to it.
K is fukin so obvious man.. K is too obvious man
D- K is obvious and K is obvious by the inumerable number of interviews he has given
T- u think..??!!!
D yeah YEah
t- of fukk gowd man this anurag is ..
D -yeah yeah he is basically trying to teach people stuff which is something from my POV one shouldn’t do.. you can’t change anybody..
T- u r right
D -u cant change anybody by teaching them. people LEARn or they don’t learn
u don’t get my movie so lemme leach u something’ it shouldn’t be like that
D- fuck them i will make my movie
T- yeah fuck them i will make my movie ..
T-he fuking made K too obvious man.. K K is oo obvious man
thats the first thing u notice in kafkas book.. he never mentions anything no full name or anything its just K joseph K
K is a key word in it
its too obvious man he shoots himself in the foot with that u know
at pfc their will be people who say oooh wowww its all about kafka and that’s what i hate.. this making it into a populist shit.. consciously being populist u know what i mean like intellectual masturbation hahaha god!! its something we indians love to do man ‘intellectual masturbation eheheh
D- indians?? mallus and bongs man..
T – hell ehehe yeah mallus yeah .. kerala should have been a different nation
D- hahahhaahhahahhaha
t- seriously man ehehehhehehe i fukin love kerala its too good… too good to be part of india… ehehhehe
D- ? u know these are the kind of dialogues which u make once in a while .. which people are gonna scramble to RRRIp and go ‘what the fukk do u mean kerala should be this or that” ?
nobody cares about contextuality (wow a new word)maaan
T- yeah yeah man nobody would understand..
D – but again lemme put the same thing back at u – i don’t think u understand or care about the contextuality in no smoking either.
T – wht do u mean?
D- i think anurags made a pretty contextual and mebe even personal reference take on things and kafka and whatever shit he throws at u with No smoking.
T- what do u mean ?
D – contextual as in for instance – ‘kissine abhi tak idhar aisa kuch banaya nahin hai. tho mein banaaake dikhata hoon.
T – contextual kaisa ho gaya woh?
D- “KIssiNE ” IDHAR’ aBHI TAK Indian mein bollywood mein …
T- awright awright novelty aspect we give it to him.. C’mon hands down we give it to him maan.
but its bull shit man u don’t aspire to be a novelty u know.. is he a freak show?? is he a .. um .. a somekind of a fREAK?
D- ehehe hE IS man ? that HE is
T- ?but u know this is the kind of shit that indians have to…umm…..(peters of)..
that’s what i am trying to say ..the kind of intellectual climate we have in india doesn’t allow us to think (peters of again).. its hard man its seriously hard…
to go off to novelty ..to put bob fosse -obvious ref to put K obvious ref- to put Kafka reference and all it smacks of fuckin pretentiousness big time man ..even though he thinks that he is fucking clever and cool..
but I’m probably wrong cuz he is being ironic or something but…i don’t get the irony man ?
D-? but i don’t know whether u r getting me . that’s exactly what i was talking about in terms of contextuality u know.. we are making pretty crappy movies …even mallu movies these days for that matter…
plus if i am in anurags shoes and i have made BF and been trashed my critics and commoners alike saying you can only make this kind of movie and then if i don’t sell out to the bollywood genre of things and still make something totally different and dark and personal and then still TRRRRRy to make it commercially viable ..
T-u shouldn’t try man.. im not for trying man
D i wouldn’t but ..
T but trying is ok man …fukk but u gotta go the full hog man make it fuking commercial or go other way around..this is no way a commercial movie..
D- it’s really funny Anurag has been saying it’s a mind fuck movie every second sentence when he talking about No smoking. After a while i thought he was u know ..plainly ….
T – its not really a mindfukk movie man..
D- hmm it was pretty there man ..
T -mind fukk… hmm mind fukkk…
D- we are here talking about it and trying to document the whole movie exp here .. u know that pretty much sums it up..
T- u know its more underwhelming than over whelming u know
D -but i didn’t say overwhelming i just said it fukks up ur brian..
T- but it is pretty over whelming in terms of the effort on show here.. what he is trying u know
D- i don’t think he should have made it like this
T- yeah its either this or that not fuking both no fuking eating ur cake and having it crap…
T- exactly leads to something someone wrote in the roark post.. anurag got this his whole roark shit wrong man. he should leave this roark crap alone!
i know its an inspiration and he is trying to be roark, in taking a stand against corrupting bollywood, but he should leave it bcuz to be Roark is a different story.
Roark fans know what it takes to be Roark, but Anurag doesnt.
D- oh hang on I beg to differ
T- oh ok
D- I think he pretty much knows what it takes to be Roark.
T- u know that post/comment says if u wana be roark you can be one way you can’t be both ways
but u r saying that he knows and says he cant be one way, he cant be Roark, but…Aw…
Fukk Roark man
D-im still perturbed about No Smoking man, he lost me somewhere.
T- i think he lost it himself dont u think..
D- dunno man but this pretty much is gonna alienate everyone – the western audience the indian audience.. the western critics are probably gonna say hmm. he tried something, but what’s with these silly references. The indian critics or whoever calls himself one is gonna….
T- oHHHH please indian critics?? pls lets forget them. I am pissed off here man…
mediocrity is hardcore in india. be it critics bollywood or at any given profession in any field… and i aint anybody who has done anything different or somebody who leads a different life but maaan the film journos in india..the mainstream guys, i don’t know what they are talking about or how they get their jobs even.
D- ? anyway coming back to what i was saying before it was not that anurag lost me .. well not just that-
the movie shook me up for a different reason. i was talking about my head throbbing after we got out rt? theres this unfinished 2 page script i had written about 8 years back to make into a smalll 15 minute short. just imagine my shock when u see a similar take on it on screen. admitted mine had no Kafkaesque connotations man. but it was about this guy who keeps waking up from one dream after the other and in one of those dreams he goes desperately looking for Wills!! :-)
i was like all shook up from that moment on.
T- u are serious ? u r shitting me..
D- na man…
T- Anyway i think anurag is like a victim you know like…like someone like Jesus – he is someone who exists to be crucified. there’s no purpose for anurag apart for people to crucify him. unfortunately he s
gonna be a guy whose gonna be crucified but from there on there’s gonna be a new movement …
like a new wave in hindi movies. he is gonna be the messaiah crucified in the altar of mediocrity !
but anurag is onto something here . he knows what he wants to be, unfortunately he can’t pull it off. seriously this was a fucking good crack at Kafka. but fukk he didn’t pull it off and
Yeah he is playing a character now a character in a whole scene of things . every time he does an interview he s been defensive.. very angry and a whole lot of things. he is playing that character who needs to be crucified like jesus. jesus was like that – if he had existed u know..
D- ? coming from a christian that was priceless man ?
T- yeah! but he is not gonna be anything more. he will be known as the guy who started the movement. the tragic figure ..thats it. he is never goin to be a a a what was that word .. yeah a triumphalist. but from his ashes of this fucking effort will come a new movement. too bad ? hes gotta die for it though
HE is a fucking legend man Hardcore LEGEND. there no one like anurag . he is a goddman HEro u know
D- hahahahahha u know what the pfc comments are gonna be now?
- there they go again ‘all hail anurag’ on pfc
hehehe parading anurag again
T- fuck man whether u do it or not he DESERVES it. he deserves pfc man.. and more sites like pfc man
i m serious here…
D – I’m out of smokes and u are out control man. let’s go get some. we will continue later…
T- cant u order a delivery or something? hahahahhaa
yeah yeah yea….
(An Afterthought- This conversation took place yesterday around 9pm Melbourne time and the transcript posted here has not been embellished in any way since by subsequent events or posts )
Anurag Kashyap
Abhay Deol
Dibakar Banerjee
Hansal Mehta
Khalid Mohamed
Kundan Shah
Anish Kuruvilla
Jaideep Verma
Manish Gupta
Navdeep Singh
Bhavani Iyer
D. Santosh
Onir
Ashvin Kumar
Ramu Ramanathan
Sudhir Mishra
Pankaj Advani
Revathy
Saurabh Shukla
Shilpa Shukla
Sujoy Ghosh
Suparn Verma
Santosh Sivan
Shashank Ghosh
Shivajee
Pavan Kaul
Partho Sen-Gupta
Prroshant Naryannan
Sam Langoria
Satish Kasetty
some conversation there man..thanks for this one.. it’s the introspection time.. and believe me..i wish there were more conversations than judgements..
Thanda Lo Thanda Lo
Kitna justification doge yaar.. Hatao
Anurag
Anuragji,
a) You seem to have a big time “I am a victim” and “Me against the world” mentality. Why do always think that everyone wants to run you down.
b)You do not seem to get along with anyone ( YashRaj, Karan Johar, Mani Ratnam, Deepa Metha and so on). Just introspect and consider whether the problem is with them or you are the problem.
You worked with Shaad Ali and after the film was released and bombed , you started grumbling. Same with Yuva, Guru , Shakala Boom and Water. I kind of see a disturbing pattern here.
c) A bad film made with noble intentions still remains a bad film. You kind of seek refuge with the so called online friends who boost your deflated ego and nothing else. Your quote ” Indian cinema is immature” is true since your latest offering is immature too.
Anurag
Every film is a different in itself..There is no perfection point in any kind of art and any art is infinite learning process. And I feel very strong about more actions than to just doing analyses of films being made around us. You tried making what you wanted to make. Your job is done there. We all are full of different thoughts, visions, philosophies and theories and every one’s perspective at looking at the things is different. I respect your views and ideas but above all. Lets make pfc a serious workshop of creative cinema instead of other pfc, which stands for(passion for criticism).
Cinema is ever learning process and let
Pappu,
you are spot on. Sycophants are blaming producer/distributor but look/see/listen any of kashyap’s interview. He keeps talkign about gettign commercial acceptance from NS. Also adds Bipasha’s item number. I had written much earlier and pulled him and his folks including admins of this site about what all wrong is happening with NS and they all came down heavily and started abusing my non existant family member.
After being on this site for almost last 8 months or so it is clear that this bunch is immature. They are like kids who start abusing anyone who offers different point of you. Look at open galis “tera time khatam, tu jaa” and some of supporters crossing all lines. This is a complete frustrated bunch. They thought that 50 people on this site who show support makes whole of world and film would be seen by millions. They started acting as if the film was a blockbuster even before it was released. Immature cinema, Immature media, immature people. Look at the arrogance and still there is no stopping.
Do we have an axe to grind? against who? Anurag?admins? Its laughable. When you spend more time on publishing IP address and trying to find out how one is able to publish from Asia and then Europe and then North America and get into all sort of childlike arguements with posters, it is obvious that focus is missing.
This site has also lost its glory and lustre in all NS argument and discussion. I hope kashyap and company have learnt a lesson and they focus more on filmmaking then blogging. The still of Hanuman with a cricket bat gives hope. Spend energy in making films better and start talking when you have made a good film.
- Jwalant, again… what “bunch” are you talking about? It drains my energy in repeating often that there isn’t a team which sits in the morning to hack out a plan for the site? Immature yes, just like you, me and many of us here. This isn’t a business or a PRO operation but a free will platform, where anyone can come and write, just like you have the right to come and write against the site, even if you have not understood the bottomline that PFC is made up of even you and your comments.
The problem lies that your comments become a rant against PFC’s admins, who are performing a thankless job here in trying to keep sanity where Jwalant and his opposite extreme and many such Jwalant’s and many such Jwalant’s opposite extreme come on the same platform, purely because of the passion for cinema.
I think PFC is doing some good, because in spite of every comment of yours being negative, which really isn’t a problem, you have stuck with us for eight months.
Thank You. But the problem is you have to ask yourself what can I contribute to see my viewpoints being discussed out in the open. There are many avenues. Please don’t confine yourself to being just a commenter. With so much emotion and charge in your comments, please send us your thoughts in the iView section.
I have mentioned this in the past, but have not received any response whenever I’ve done it.
oz,
I disagree that I have posted all negative comments.
I do agree regarding contribution through iView. I will send it someday.
Also, I have always been an admirer of PFC and have recommended to several friends and also the job admins have done here. Frankly speaking I would have gone to other sites long back but there aren’t many that match PFC quality
I continue to feel that PFC needs to be made bigger then Kashyap and his cinema and to be seen as only his blog. It will be good for all of us who are part of PFC and kashyap.
Anurag,
there was this whole clip about ‘manipulations’, which we lost cuz of a phone call breaking up the recording, where we talk about you manipulating us, pfc and the whole wide world.
Thanks?? Mate this is the least we could do. Believe me, for what it is worth, conversations ARE happening!
@ alone,
u totally lost me. or were u talking to Anurag?
@jwalant,
i think oz has already made the point.
lemme a add my bit to it.
a lot is said of Anurag and his films here, but that means exactly that- nothing more. PFC accommodates Anurag as much as it does you and me. it has no equivalent in terms of content (the good shit and the stinking rotting piles).
it makes it possible for me to enjoy a full-on evening with a total stranger(who i met on PFC) like T here.
and of course, needless to say, NS and Anurag provided the amusement quotient!!
D=Dpac, T=Travis Bickle…
curious to know if you taped the conversation? looks very detailed indeed:)
manjheetey!!
yeah we taped the whole conversation (we didnt trust each other to remember shit after that bottle was over)
plus this is not the ‘whole’ conversation..:d
we missed some parts cuz of ‘tech issues’ and some other parts were edited out cuz of T’s excessive ramblings off mallus and pasolini and ’salo’ and a whole load of shit
as it is bahut lamba hai!!
areah Dpacbhai, it would have been wicked to hear the conversation!
HG.. we enjoyed it man.
if u wanna listen to it i will send it to u..
its gonna be pretty incoherent though..
but i think u can make out the whole mindset we were in by listening to it..
all those pained by something bizarre or absurd on screen..go watch takishe miike works..deliberately puts metaphors and crazy visuals.. n he does not care whether the viewer gets it or not, because he is too busy simply making movies. i liked NS and I dont care if it makes sense or not. NS works for me cos its different than anything I hace EVER seen on Indian cinema.. made me laugh out loud just thinking about the thoughts which would have gone behind some of the scenes.
@praneet,
funny you should mention it
there was this whole excerpt of T talking about takishe works and no smoking..
unfortunately, we lost that part of the recording..
not that it would have made a difference.. but still..
I saw NO SMOKING yesterday.read the reviews..it was appalling.But in a strange kind of a way these reviews increased my curiousity all the more.so i decided to watch it.didnt go to any multiplex..instead went to priya cinema (kolkata).I must say that i was quite amazed by the turnout.IT WAS 90%Full.anyway i really thought that the first half was absolutely smashing.it really kind of set the tone for things to come.however i was bit let down by the second half.it started of on the right note.i also liked the way “jab bhi cigarrette”song was picturised.it was truly innovative.that was a definite high point of the film as far as im concerned.but the last half an hour it became a little too bizarre for my liking.I think anurag tried to pack in a little too much and in the process could not retain the attention of the viewers.overall watching NO smoking wasnt as bad an experience.it had its moments where anurag created absolute magic..but i think much of the flak that he is getting is largely because of the last 30 minutes which really didnt make much sense..i think that really killed the movie.but i sincerely believe that ANURAG KASHYAP is one of the finest directors we have in India.he is intelligent and extremely innovative.he tried to create a completely new genre in hindi cinema…and i wont be wrong when i say that he almost suceeded.
i would also like to say that 95%of the public do not have the sense to rationally distinguish between “good” and”bad” cinema and consequently most of them form an opinion based on the reviews of a Taran adarsh or a rajeev masand.they take their opinions as gospel truth.
90% full in Calcutta?? thats news!!:o
not only was it 90% full,but everyone started clapping after the first half..however towards the end it was a complete turnaround…most of them(including me)couldnt figure out what was goin on and left the hall totally confused..i guess the impact created by the first half was completely lost.