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nagesh kukunoor ka kasoor
bombay to bangkok ke asafal hone ka poora shreya nagesh kukunoor ke hi mathe hoga.woh akeley kasoorwar hain.is film ke liye subhash ghai ko doshi nahi thahraya ja sakta.iqbal aur dor jaisi filmon ke baad bomabay to bangkok jaisi kamjor film ke baare mein nahi socha ja sakta tha.kya ho gaya nagesh ko?kya unki pahle ki films fluke thin.
gaur karen to nagesh koi bade aur significant filmmaker nahin hain,unki hydearabad blues sadharan film thi.vastav mein yah aisi mediocrity ka daur hai ki koi thoda bhi behtar kaam kare to ham use sir par bitha lete hain aur umeed karte hain ki chalo,ek banda mila.ab yah achchhi films banayega.tarifon aur phir mil rahe paison se uska dimag aisa ghoomta hai ki woh nagesh kukunoor ho jata hai.kauaa chala hans kee chal,aakhir bhoola apni chal.dar lag raha hai ki nagesh ki agli film kaisi hogi?kya woh iqbal ya dor jaisi sarahna hasil kar payengi?sandeh badh gaya hai.
romantic comedy kee koshish mein nagesh fisaddi sabit hue.aisi filmon mein bhasha kee karigari rahti hai.aap angrezi mein likh kar kisi se hindi mein dialouge ka anuvaad karvayenge to yahi haal hoga.samvaad sun kar rona aata hai.bhai nagesh thodi hindi-vindi bhi seekh lo.hindi mein films banate ho to bhasha to aani chahiye.
aur sirf bhasha hee kyon?bombay to bangkoto ka har vibhag pichhda hua hai.kahinkoi jadoogari dikhti hi nahin.ek akeley vijay morya hain,jo film ko thoda sambhalte hain.lekin akela chana bhand nahi phod sakta.
chalo waqt rahte range siyar ka rang utar gaya,nahin to yah kuchh denon aur bhi raja bana phirta.umeed hai ki iske baad doosre range siyaron ke prati bhi industry sawdhan ho jaayegi.
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:( Aapne dheka is film? Lagta hai Nagesh isnt qualified for romance! I thought it will be a fun film to watch but now ur comments make me fly to Bangkok! lol
What the fuck? Can’t you write in English, dude? Why are you torturing people like this? Nuff said!
@Mohican, dude relax.
Ajay is a seasoned writer at PFC and he posts in English as well. He chose to review it in hindi this time so its his call… Its a free medium after all.
@Ravptor… oh ok.. I see it now.
I will avoid his posts going forward. No point trying to read Hindi written in English. Pretty frustrating..
And yeah… he seems seasoned and pretty deep-fried too… LOL.
Ajay Bhai,
Maine ye B2B nahi dekhi hai lekin mai Range Siyar wale shabdon se sehmat nahi hoon. Nagesh average director se acha sochta, likhta aur direct karta hai.
Ek film na chalna ya bilkul bakwaas hone se director ko label nahi diya ja sakta. Aisa sab ke career me hota hai, kisi bhi ucchh koti ke director (commercial or non-commercial) ki history dekh len to aisa dikhega.
Mera anurodh sirf itna hai ki, BACHE KO MAAF KAR DEN aur mauka den :)
Mohican, Hindi is our mother tongue, in case you remember. And if your are such an angrez you should check out the reviews at rotten tomatoes, for hollywood films not desi films.
And people should be encouraged to speak and write in Hindi, as the language is literally dying. we have even started thinking in English, such a shame. And dudes like you [ as you would love to be called] are contributing to this death by posting such comments.
Suchita,…I think he forgot we are talking about a Hindi film! :)
Cool down Suchita, he probably meant that it’s a pain reading Hindi in scripts other than devanagari which is true if you are not used to it.
@Suchita
Unfortunately, Hindi is not MY mother tongue. Last I checked there are about 29 major tongues are spoken in MY motherland… not JUST Hindi.
I speak 3 Indian languages and one non-Indian language besides English.
Your assumption that Hindi is my mother tongue shows that it is you that is narrow-minded, not me! Like I said before, nuff said! So, just chill! OK?
And nobody from my country speak Hindhi, but I managed to read it. But I agree with Mohican!:d
if some one interested in reading ajay brahmatmaj’s review in devnagri script.
http://chavannichap.blogspot.com/2008/01/blog-post_18.html
:d
hindi angreji ki bahas fir chhed di ajay tumane.
achchha hai. main aksar sochata hoon- sanskrit jaisi bhasha agar mar sakati hai to hindi ka bhi yehi haal ho sakata hai. aakhir ham mumbai akhabar to angrezi ka hi padhate hain. phone per ssari baat kam angrezi main hi hoti hain.
abhi thailand gaya tha. wanha pe sab thai bolate hain.bechare team ke log pareshan the- ye log angrezi kyon nahi sikhate? unka kaam to chalata hi hai.
hindi channel wale hindi bolte hain.
hindi film wale- hindi main film banate hain -ye kya kam hai.
monika ne pdahane ki koshis ki ye bhi kam nahi.
mubarak ho monika.
kualalumpur ke china market main ek chasma bechane wale ne hindi main baat ki. wo hindi filmon ka deewana tha- usne hindi filmen dekh kar hi hindi bolana seekaha tha. wo likh nahai sakata to kya hua?
hindi ka dayara bada ho raha hai…
don’t worry dude!
@Mohican, Angrezi se itna pyar kyo hai bhai???sayad ye “gulam mansikta” to nahi :-?:-?.
Dude if ajayji is writing review of English movies in Hindi, then it may be problem but for review written in Hindi for Hindi movie is fine as i think.
lets talk on the subject-nagesh kukunoor and his film B2B or BTB
the movie was…….. boring
there is no other word for it
3 indian languages and one non indian language…wow Mohican.. rockstar you are…Bravo!!!!:d/
Neerja am cool, who the fk cares if a language like hindi is dying:((
Play back I think we Indians are developing this mentality [not all] that west is Kool.. we want to be like them, we ape their clothes, their cinema, we are so desperate to “fit in”… In the process we are losing ourselves.
The other day I was sitting with a filmmaker and he was talking about Stephen King and Shakespere.. which is great but why not talk about Gulzar and Mantoo as well.. Even our Literature is great. But how many people think like that…
Suchita,…u have a point.
wen i was watching the promos…i somehoew felt tht the movie is nt upto mark…nagesh kukunoor’s touch was missing….n now the reviews proved it…al the best for the upcoming movies..:)
suchita you should always appreciate that another persons taste is unique… one may enjoy Stephen King more than Gulzar but Its OK as long as he is not glorifying one at the expense of others…
Papai, I am not trying to not appreciate others taste, all I am saying is even we are great…the grass is greener on our side too!!!!:((
I dont think anyone is denying that in this thread…. ??
Nagesh saab ki “Hyderabad blues” sadharan film thi parantu unhone “Iqbal” aur “DOR” jaisi hridaysparshi aur original filmein banayi hain…isiliye hum unka saman karte hain…industry mein kuchh aise bhi directors bhi hain jo angreazi filmon ki nakal karte hain…kuchh aise “mahan” directors bhi hain jo idhar udhar ki novels par filmein bana dalte hain…novels se filmein banane par kuchh aitraaz nahin …parantu unhe baithe bithae achhi story mil jati hai…wohin nagesh jaise directors bhi hain jo khud stroy develop karte hain..humare hindustan ke andar chhupi hui kahaniya dikhate hain….isiliye woh aur Nirdeshako se behetar hain….Waise bade bade directors se kabhi kabhi galtiyan ho jati hai… :d
@Suchita
I care. You are perhaps right if you mean that Hindi literature is dying. I say perhaps because I have not read much of contemporary Hindi literature.
But Hindi as a spoken language is very much alive. Go out of Delhi and Mumbai, go to small towns and you will find people talking in Hindi ALL THE TIME.
Ajayji…i havent seen B2B and dont feel like watching also. because from the promos can make out that its bad one. and most of the time its easy to guess from d promo.
par nagesh ki baat karte huye aapne shayad kuch zyada hi bhari bharkam shabdoon ka prayog kiya hai. ranga shiyar aur ityadi ityadi…mujhe lagta hai aap kisi aur karan se bhi pareshan hai. har acche nirdeshak ne buri film banayee hai. so ek film ko dekhkar itna gaali kyun de rahe hain. main sahmat nahi hoon. aur nagesh to ek pidhi ke aadarsh hai..woh banda jise filmoon ka kuch nahi pata, jiska filmoon ka kuch connection nahi,woh bahar se aakar itne saalon ke mehnat ke baad apne paanv jama paya hai. aur kaun hai aisa is industry mein ? is baar main aapse bilkul sahmat nahi hoon. main nagesh ki agli film ke intezaar me hoon.
shiv,
Perumazakaalam is the original of Dor.just see the original film in malyalam and then think about the originality of NK.
Phoenixnu ,
aapki ashamati ka main swagat karta hoon.meri pareshani film ke prati bandhi umeed tootne ke alawa kya ho sakti hai?koi khunnas nahi hai.hamen apne aadarshon ko parkhna bhi chahiye.nagesh ke saath wahi hua ya ho raha hai jo class transformation ke baad hota hai.NK film industry ke dwara corrupt kiye jaane ka taza udaharan hain.aadarsh pralobhan mein nahi aate.maaf karen NK ne apna rang dikha diya hai.next film mein rang chadha to achchhi baat hai.
Neeraja, I don’t concur with you. People in the interiors speak their native language, whether you do to East[Assam, meghalaya, calcutta] or West, Gujrat Rajasthan, or north [Punjab, Kashmit] or even South.. every single state speaks their native languae, infactin Tanil Nadu Kerela, most of the people don’t even understand Hindi..so as a spoken language its already dead, and it’s literature is in the process of being killed.
Thanx ajay.. i will try to watch this movie “Perumazakaalam” when ever i will find it….
“DOR” is one of my fav movies of NK..and if NK has really copied DOR from this movie then :((
please Hindi ka matam na manayen.Hindi is desh(Bharat)mein bani rahegi aur badhegi.entertainment,market aur politics kee bhasha hai hindi.PFC par 50% post hindi films par rahti hai.
yahi to vidambna hai…film hindi mein,lekin script english mein,baatcheet english mein,post english mein aur discussion english mein.agar aap nagri padhna chahen aur OZ izazat den to main apni post devnagri script mein likh sakta hoon.devnagri mein likhe mere lekh is link par padhe ja sakte hain.
http://chavannichap.blogspot.com/
@Suchita
People in interiors of these states never spoke Hindi! does that mean the language was always dead?
How do you expect people living in interiors of these states to learn Hindi when half of them haven’t been to school to learn to write/read their own mother-tongues? When nobody around them speaks any Hindi?
Of course, the same argument coming from a person living in big cities like Chennai, who blabbers English all the time, cannot be accepted.
When I said go to small towns, I meant the towns in Northern belt. People there still speak Hindi as they always did.
Yes there is a rise in upper middle class junta who wants their children to read Dickens when their children do not even know who Premchand is! This is sad. But they are much less in number.
So, I fail to see how Hindi, the spoken language, is dying.
I agree with you when you say that Hindi literature is dying :(
Looking at it from the point of view of cinema, when was the last time you saw a Hindi literature story adapted on screen? There are hundreds of amazing stories out there but nobody cares :(
neeraja,
it may be disappointing for you.hindi literature is flourishing.just go to delhi and visit daryaganj…u will find at least hundred publishers,who are engaged in publishing hindi literature.do you want to read something in hindi?i will send you a list of books.
apne desh ko aankhe kholka dekho.
Ajay, while you do have a point about Hindi Literature “flourishing” (at least in Delhi), I do agree with Neeraja that Hindi film makers do not care to adapt hindi literature to films. Maybe they lack the courage to do so. It would be great if someone would do that. That might give the much needed boost to Hindi literature.
Actually, I’m not even sure if Hindi literature is “flourishing”….I would say it’s sustaining. It needs a fillip to flourish.
delhi is the centre of book publications.just like most of the hindi films are made in mumbai.if filmmakers are not using literature as a source material,then its their loss.yes,i do agree with you that our filmmakers lack the courage to make films based on literature.its a phase of mediocraty.
@Ajay
Ab Bharat sirf Delhi hi to nahi hai na.
What’s the state of Hindi publishers in other places?
What will you say if I tell you that I was unable to find Bedhab Banarasi’s work in Banaras?
I agree with Aditya, sustaining is a better word to describe the state of Hindi literature than flourishing.
I have a thought about why we don’t have adaptations of Hindi literature. If you look at Premchand, Bhagwaticharan Varma, Rahi Masoom Raza, Renu, Dharamveer bharati…all these people wrote stories that are very close to vilage or small town sensibilities.
You say that our filmmakers lack the courage to adapt these stories on screen because they think it won’t sell but I think what they really lack is the thought to package these stories in a way that would appeal to a larger number of people in today’s India.
Also is this the only reason why we see adaptation of Shakespeare but not the people I mentioned above or is it that we are becoming increasingly western in our thinking and that’s why we like to watch Othello or Macbeth but not Gaban or Teesri kasam (if made).
I hope that it’s the first reason.
neeraja,
now you have raised a valid important and unavoidable point.there are historical,political,economical and intellectual reasons of not making films based on literature.PFCians should participate in this discussion.i will put my views in another post.
when i mentioned delhi…that does not mean that all the publishers are centred in delhi.there are publishers in each of the hindi states.
i am not ashamed of accepting that as a society ,we are not proud of our own language,literature and culture.
@Ajay
Political reasons? You mean people find it easier to adapt a foreign literature story putting it in an Indian context superficially than to adapt a story which is closer to our society and attacks the socio-political structure of our country?
Looking forward to your post.
we need not worry about the adaptations becoz literature is different and cinema is different. u can’t translate Nirmal Verma’s novels into a film(though maya darpan story has been adapted). Premchand (along with Amritlal Nagar) was the first writer who came to mumbai and tried to write into the films but the treatment he recived from the then marwari and gujrati producers could not be considered as an appropriate treatment to the writers. Today a filmy writer who speaks in hindi is considered as a jhola chaap writer and if he speaks in english he is considered a creative mastermind. It’s a matter of fact that the TV Serials which are considered as landmarks in Indian televison is HUMLOG, BUNIYAD, NUKKAD,NEEM KA PED, CHANKYA, MAHABHARAT. These serials were writeen by the stalwarts of HIndi literature.(Manohar Shyam Joshi, Dr. Rahi masoom raza and Dr. ChandrapRakash Diwedi)…No english could create these TV Serials…same with cinema…If HIndi writers from literature would have treated liek a writer the scene of today’s Indian cinema could have changed….
aagar aisa ho paata to hum duniya masaaledaar filme banaane ke liye badnaam na hote..yakeen na ho to 50s or 60’s ka cinema dekhiye jo bhale hi black n white hai par duniya bhar me apni chaap chori hai..
Satyajit Ray’s every film is an adaptation of Indian literature..Vimal Roy’s cinema is a rooted cinema…
to bhaiyo jo thodi bahut izzat bachi hai duniya me indian cinema ki wo litearture ke kaaran hi hai…otherwise english waalon ke paas parosne ke liye pizza aur burger ke alwaa kuch nahi hai..
I must say that this was the most pathetic film I have seen of Nagesh Kukunoor. Why am I not surprised? Becuase I have always thought of Nagesh as a very mediocre and average film maker. I am sure that everyone knows that the only genuinely hit film of his was IQBAL and that too, he had stolen the script from a mumbai based techie called Vipul Rawal. It was proved and he had to settle out of court and had to pay a heavy penalty to Vipul Rawal.