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PERSONALLY SPEAKING…
Popular Cinema
I personally think that most film makers in India are children and most films in India are childrens’ film and rather bad childrens’ films. Their notion of love is that of a fourteen year old. In all popular entertainment the notion of life is going retarded.
It’s an illusion which you make people buy into and you get rather hurt when they realize life is not like that. There’s very little difference between selling a fake notion of life and selling a fake product. It’s like advertising. You fall in love and you live happily ever after, is as stupid a notion as you use a fairness cream and you become fair. All are very idiotic notions, sold to the naive and people make a lot of money out of that.
If everything is about profit in its most crass sense and if the world is to be like that – then, great! But, I don’t think it is.
Don’t I sense a craving for popular cinema in the audiences?
Yes, I do see a craving for hope. There’s a craving for some kind of an illusionary world, because, to live with the real is very difficult. I might sound that I am very dismissive, but actually, they may be performing … and that’s why I am saying, I am trying not to bullshit and I am speaking as I think often.
When you bullshit, you also admit the possibility of being wrong. And I admit the possibility of being wrong.
And maybe popular cinema is helping them live their lives and to help pass another day and that may be a great service. It’s like religion. It’s like Sri Sri Ravishankar. I don’t know what he’s talking about half the time. Apparently he makes a lot of people happy, especially the guilty rich and who am I to say it’s wrong, when people find some solace there and find some reprieve there and find a way of life.
People, film makers or artists who probe uncomfortable truths – will never be popular.
Indian writing in English…
Everything is fine as long as you are truthful to your experience. I mean, for example Upamanyu Chatterjee’s book English August is the most arrogant piece of good writing that I’ve ever seen/read. The man is an absolute arrogant snoot who has no idea of anything else but his own life, but he writes it so well that the book becomes something. Because, he’s not pretending. In the end of the book, Upamanyu starts pretending- he starts thinking – ‘Oh how should I end my book, how should I make it socially relevant’ – he starts pretending and then he makes a hash out of it. Till he stays the arrogant, snooty man without any idea of the country he has lived in it’s a great book because he’s so truthful to who he is and he’s not pretending. Then from the second, third book he starts pretending.
The good think about Arundhati Roy, for instance, is that she’s not writing the second book. She knows what she could have told. And of course she got very lucky. And the same West that she barks against all the time is what is responsible for her success and it’s just that the dollars she makes are much bigger than O.P Vijayan, for instance, who is a Kerela writer. It’s the Booker prize. If she didn’t get the booker prize, who would know of Arundhati Roy!
She is bigger to a lot of illiterates than Phanishwar Nath Renu because she got the Booker prize, because she wrote in the language that colonized the world. The same colonization that she talks about, she a product of and she prospered because of. If she didn’t write in English, and wrote like Phanishwar Nath Renu who would know of her and call her to conferences to speak about the state of the world.
But again, that’s the contradiction – she’s brilliant. I am not saying that she’s not good.
That is the problem again about conversations today. I always have to talk in an either/or
I think she’s brilliant, but I think, she’s not the only person who is. There are many.
There is Shrilal Shukla who wrote Raag Darbari and Uday Prakash, who I feel is one of the great writers of our times.
Politics…
A lot of people misunderstand politics. Sometimes people misunderstand that to be political, you have to join a political party. Being political is just being aware of how you are being controlled - whether it is for a woman, whether it is for a man, whether it is for anyone. If you have the knowledge of how you are being controlled, then you will be freer. And you should know how to escape. To be relatively free is the aspiration of mankind. You are never absolutely free. At all times, people want to be free, to be independent and to live their own lives. The tragedy with the human race is that when they become free they enslave others. They don’t understand that for everyone to be relatively free, every one has to make some sacrifice.
Whether you are controlled by the politburo, or you are controlled by the multinational, or you are controlled by religious system. All three are ways of enslavement. There are some people who use you for their own ends. And to be political is to understand that.
Art..
Do I think, generally speaking, that the Indian audience understands the experience of art?
I think the Indian audiences, for instance, when Kabir was born, understood art. Because art then was not some halo-ed notion, art then was about their own lives. Kabir’s art, the Indian audiences understood. And I don’t think today’s audiences understand films as well as Kabir’s audiences understood him.
Otherwise, if you don’t agree with what I say, then you are saying Kabir was not an artist.
So, at many times they have.
The Indian audiences, for example have understood the oral traditions very well.
Today they are being manipulated into saying, this is art and this is not. And I think, audiences should be left alone to their own notion of art. Everybody doesn’t have to appreciate everything. And today, also, I think the taste of a few is being imposed. To that set, bad art is very titillatory, just as inciting of communal passions is very easy.
Because human beings are not that evolved yet, I think to incite their basic passions is very easy and all manipulative art does that. Bad art, bad music, bad films, bad literature will always be more popular than things which are slightly more difficult and which ask of an audience to sit up and watch/listen with attention. And I think, if it was not for the vested interests, they would have evolved a lot more.
So, in between Indian cinema audiences of the 50s and now - came the gangster, the builder with his black money, and now comes the multinational with his dream of controlling the tastes of the world. In between all of that, came all those people who determined what was made.
And that is why I don’t think the State or the government needs to get into film making. What they need to ensure is democracy. What they need to ensure is that anyone can make a film. Then 90 percent of it will be crap. Or 95 percent will be crap. Just as 95 percent poetry is crap. Anybody, can write a book. But, five percent will be quite outstanding. And at any point, it’s only that five percent. Any point in history, its only 5 percent. If it’s five percent, it’s outstanding. It may even be one percent. 100 percent will never be. These are all notions. But, I think the government or people themselves, by becoming political have to ensure that for themselves.
Maybe the internet now will be the basis of that. Where you can deliver anything for everyone who is interested and technology which is now being used to, sometime enslave then will be a liberator as well. Who knows! I don’t have all the answers. I grapple with the same questions everyday. And I really think, the young should keep doing that and I seriously think it is the job of every, one young fortunate Indian who has access to all these things, to take 2-3 not so fortunate Indians and introduce and expose them to that and, who knows where the genius lies. I seriously think, since governments will fail, the new politics is that where people themselves take control of their lives and do what they can and not try and do what is ideal but do what they can.
And to all creative people who say that – ‘oh you are not joining the revolution’, screw the revolution…
Just do what you can!
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Sudhir Ji:
Thanks for yet another good post. But in third of yours I found atleast one thing where I have resistence to accept.
When you write Uday Prakash is one of the great writer of our times. Most of time he does opposite to the title of your post. Yes he is popular but popular always is not the best. He may also try lot of time to bullshit.
Peeli Chhatri wali ladki……….
and the history behind, Ram Sanjeevan kee prem katha. I am sure will be knowing the whole incidence.
when one is sensitive than he has to keep care of other’s sensitivity also. which is lost in his case.
Surely cinema also works as drugs for most of us but than even passion works like that if we talk in spiritual terms. People are different and therefore their understanding level are different because their experience in life are different and here art can play a great role. what I cant see now in my life, I can read abt that in a book, can see it in cinema. thats right.
Thanks again for this post which deeply touches the contemporary subjects.
Seriously sir after reading ur blog, my mind stops reacting.
the only wrds that i blabber are
huh, huh, huh
nd
off course
wow
Ur characters often goes another way or pave their own wave and then themselves cry over what they had done.
lik in Dharavi, Om Puri’s character or Nirmal’s character in Is raat ki Subah nahi. Or more recently KK in HKA, returned to London.
I donn knw what point i m making, i m still recovering from ur blog.
but thnx
hey if any of u hav 7 minutes check out this shrt movi nd plz leav a comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncRNEfv9b80
^:)^wonderful post sir. Thanks
As for English August that has been one of the best piece of writting i have ever read (so far). Without conviction or ambition and his “interested in nothing” attitude.. Upamanyu expresses himself prodigiously. There may be things in the book which one doesn’t agree with but that’s completely besides the point.
Sana have u read THE GREAT INDIAN NOVEL by Shashi Tharoor?
its hilarious!
Thank You Sir…thats all i can say..your post are like the guiding light, in the darkness of this world. ^:)^^:)^^:)^
Sir,
Its been a long time since I have read something as powerful as this.
Agree with you on all counts.
Have been doing some writing myself on PFC and have come to the conclusion (after reading comments on my posts and engaging in debates with enlightened souls) that man will never be free unless he/she wants to be.
We are all controlled, there’s no excaping that.
The truth is always difficult to digest.
Always be the guiding light,
Roshni
Sahi hai guru…
Sahi hai guru… but nothing like the second post. That still remains my favourite. Now its the time for your fourth one…
“Maybe the internet now will be the basis of that. Where you can deliver anything for everyone who is interested and technology which is now being used to, sometime enslave then will be a liberator as well.”
very true Sir…
digital outlets like http://www.ifilm.com and http://www.youtube.com and http://www.myspace.com have proved to be the greatest tools for the new-age indie filmmakers… [even STUDIOS r using them big time]
JMD - manan singh KATOHORA
Hmmm…..
Confusion…Contradiction and should I say Limits???
Even Ms.Rand was wrong when she said:
“There are no contradictions whatsoever if
there are any check your premises”
anyways why are onions not potatoes….????
Cheers
madhu chandra
Agree,agree,agree…but as far as films r concerned it seems we really need one more revolution…to stop all those big studios making big shit n big money. we need to give an alternative n yes may be tech/internet will be one way out!!!
Obviously dear Mishra Ji, you dont seem to know much about Ravi Shankar. Its not just the guilty rich he is pandering to, there’s lot of middle class that greatly follows him. I personally dont care for him but have many friends who love him more than themselves.
Mr Mishra,
I feel very intrigued by your posts especially the “Cannes”. Your habit to going back to an atist’s comment that might be relevant to your point at many occasions during the blog is fascinating. I loved Dharavi, Khamosh and Hazaaron khwahishen aisi. I guess you are most popular for Hazaaron.
But personally I started admiring your art after Chameli. Now Chameli was a ground-breaking cinema. I thank you and PNC for bringing Late Mr Balani’s idea to celluloid. Your achievement I personally feel was in bringing the roaring-Kareena-Kapoor to my attention. I always felt that there is always this one movie that shows an actor’s potential. Kareena’s performance made me go back to my feelings after I watched Shahrukh in Swades, Robert de Niro in Taxi Driver, Hillary Swank in Boys Don’t Cry, Karishma in Zubeidaa and Raj Kapoor in Aag. I was asolutely blown away by her performance.
So now after this long introduction I would like to know why don’t you talk about Chameli?
How did you know Kareena can bring some performance like that?
How do you feel about Chameli in the sense of achievement?
For the matter of fact no one at PFC forums talks about Chameli. I feel sad for such an art vanishing un-noticed.
If you may sir Please share your thoughts.
Thank You.
I am sure you must be thinking what the hell i think u r? But trust me , i don’t. You got me hooked to your writings and the thoughts expressed in them. I am dieing for more and more… ek aur likh do yaar, please, jaldi seeeeeeeeeeee…
“maybe popular cinema is helping them live their lives and to help pass another day and that may be a great service. It’s like religion…who am I to say it’s wrong, when people find some solace there and find some reprieve there and find a way of life”
For me, that’s the crux of it right there.
Your absolutely right sir when you say that popular filmmakers are selling fake notions of life, illusions of another world, an alternate reality.
The question however is do we, as the audience, submit ourselves to it without understanding that this is “just a film” or do we buy into the bullshit?
The question is why is popular cinema so popular? And you sir have provided great insight into the answer. It’s a reprive from our daily drudgery. From the aimlessness and confusion. For many, its a way to temporarily avoid facing their own realities.
It is unfortunate that popular Indian cinema scarely succeeds in providing insight. The vast majority of it is meant as escapist entertainment.
“Their notion of love is that of a fourteen year old. In all popular entertainment the notion of life is going retarded.”
Again sir, I absolute agree. Anyone who has any notion of reality will absolutely agree.
These notions offer hope, albeit false hope, but something
I mean, would the Indian audiences really accept the realities of love? Imagine if Karan Johar didn’t sugercoat his “message” on marriage in KANK. Imagine if he spelt it right out: The institution of marriage, and its relevance in urban societies, is falling apart rapidly. It’s dying. Very few are fortunate to actually have happy marriages.
But if the truth were to be told, and marketed at the level that KANK was marketed, could the audience handle it? What impact would that have on our society?
I think thats why filmmakers and audiences alike CHOOSE the alternatatives of false hope and escapism over reality. We get enough reality from life.
As your films it’s really an eye opener for the cinema lovers. As you say cinema is like an habit that is religious for people. They think “chalo ek film dekhte hain”…they enter the cinema and in the darkness they wish to see certain things out of their world and that habit continues… when they see certain films suddenly they see something that is really making them think and it irritates so they are not habituated with it so it doesn’t falls in the popular category.Looking forward for more eye openers…
Just do what you can!!!!
Sir, how wonderfully u summed up an emerging political trend of India. There isn’t a leadership like JP today so people like Medha, Aruna, Bunker,Mahesh, Sarita
(and many others like them) are creating some kind of revolution in different pockets of India. But the notion of pan indian movement is just missing.
Can I share a raw experience here? Last month I attended a meeting of a right wing leader. He was the first man to philosophise the Ayodhya fall out as “Rashtriya bhavna ka prakatikaran”.Such a c… Anyways I do not have the privilege to pick and choose the events and I should not have. Khair!!!!!! He is starting a movement in Bihar and wants to give it a larger frame. I asked him about the symbol of the movement. He said, Roti aur berozgari.I said berozgari is a problem. How can it be a symbol? And roti reminds us of 1857.He was little uncomfortable.
Then I asked him ….. yadi ye movement badi shakl leta hai to koi mukaam hai jahan pahunchana chahte hain jaise history mein sampurna kranti, satta parivartan jaise mukaam rahe hain? He said, main araajnaitik vyakti hun ab. ‘Lekin logon ko ikttha karke karenge kya, phir kuchh todenge?’ And his last resort was, ‘chal tu sar bahut khaati hai.Ab khana kha.’ I know he is aware of his limitations but this vacuum is everywhere. And this needs to be redefined in this era of Glocolisation. The more global u try to be the more local issues attract u. The more state wants to control u the more it produces Nobokov and Solzhenitsyn. The more we feel helpless, the more we are convinced about individual power.
And ur comment about Roy phenomenon is just so convincing. Girish Karnad has picked up this interesting issue that of the language of the creative writer, and the qualities of authenticity one can claim when s/he writes in a language that is culturally not his/her own. He has written and directed a play Bikhre Bimb. This play raises quite a bit of dust in the Kannada literary scene with even intelligent writers like Ananthamoorthy beginning to sound like a language jingoist —- but thats another issue we can talk about it later. And guess what? Roy is back to her homeground , planning to write a fiction. And she is disillusioned with Gandhian protest. She wants to support MLs but is little shaky becoz she doesn’t have the courage to touch guns. Have pity on her!!
Sir, I guess, by popular u mean cinema which shows every nonsensical things with lots of conviction, from unaesthetic muscles to robotic emotions. But I got confused when u said, ’film makers or artists who probe uncomfortable truths – will never be popular” . They should not be, sir. A truth seeker is destined to suffer. Society should resist in order to help u introspect urself. Look at the state’s approach towards new ideas. WB, IMF come, destroy ur indigenous knowledge system, ur natural habitat and creates an illusionary world for u where deserts turn into plains , This all has happened in the history and will continue to influence us till the moment we exercise the benign power of resistance. Did ur generation ask the society before leaving for Bhojpur, Naxalbari…………..? Why should u not be questioned or for that matter suspected?
Being truthful is not the privilege of classy people. May be, I am biased towards popular culture, which gave us a Mrichhkatikam………a tradition of kajri, thumri and raas and many things that I cannot (need not ) count here. Ask a Pundit Chhannulaal Mishra to sing Hori, he cannot start it without stylizing it……..lekin apni kisi Mirzapuri padosan se kahiye, khud ko sahejti seedhi baithegi aur shuru ho jayegi ….’holiya mein….’ Here truth is melody. And both are the truth seekers in that sense. But they represent different cultures…… Punditjee is for class and she is for everyone. Popular and classical culture have co-exited together always. But if u mean mass taste here ………. I wd say only one thing ………… 200 yrs of arrested development and 60 yrs of irresponsible leadership……. What else can u expect from the masses? Just come forward , sir take more risk and give us more creative pieces like ‘Hazaron ………..’ Things will change. Its inevitable. But society will not give u wht u want . U’ll lead a melancholic life, face the challenge from third rate film makers who say asli talent to vahin milte hain (koi unse kahta kyun nahi ki naak se gana gaaykee hai to apne Manganyar bachche bhi Rahat Fateh Ali Khan se achchha ga lete hain, Nusarat saab ka shagird hone se kya hota hai). Sir, what I am trying to say is that the blend of class and pop would produce something worthwatching. The beatific blend of Sufi and bhakti has given us a Kabir……so ………….
Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I should look at these things from another angle, maybe there’s something I’m missing here ……
Anyways ….. can I take this opportunity to wish u on Holi, the festival of collective catharsis?
Regards
Politics, Mishraji, has become a dirty word with my generation. People pronounce it contempt. So much so that they never get around to even utter ‘political awareness’. ANd that’s how we are living… unaware. We find bliss in the herd mentality and dutifully try to devour any one who has courage enough to think different.
But then, I guess, that’s the way it always has been. 5% is what we will always get, max.
Thank God, people like Anurag Kashyap are around.
At 26 I hope my wait for some really good guys ( in any/all spheres) in my generatin won’t be real long.
Thanx for sharing your thoughts. Will look forward to more
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Sudhirji thanx once again for giving us such a nice piece of thought. Only one request sir plz dont keep it so long & eleborate. Sorry to say but it becomes slightly boring & unintresting sometimes.
Wat i liked the most was the last line ’screw the revolution…
Just do what you can!’
hmmmm…. still waiting sir… happy holi to you though…
Since I am free to speak my mind here sans the sir baazi (being neither an aspiring filmmaker or an actor etc), I will state that some viewers like me have the ability to enjoy both popular and parallel cinema for what they are worth. Will I like to forsake any for the other? No way!
As for literature, I have missed out on great literature in all the other languages that I cannot read. Same goes for people who cannot read literature in my language and like subtitles, translation can never do complete justice. That does not make one better than the other.
For me among directors, Vidhu Vinod Chopra is the biggest pretender.
Great post. Enjoyed reading it. Good to know that people still know/read Phanishwar nath Renu :)
When you talk about 1% or 5% good cinema, I guess you do not only mean good entertainment and technically brilliant but also socially and politically relevant movies.
I liked ‘Hazaaron…’ but how does even that movie qualify as relevant today? It talks about a movement that started long back and died or lost its significance long back. We can only take inspiration from what was there and from what has happened. But the ideas driving the struggle (individual struggle as well as struggle for bulding up a better society, nation and world) must come from us and not borrowed from the past or from others.
I have always felt that movies, as a medium of art, should make people think, at least some of them.
Sudhir ji, I’m your fan and strong admirer in a silent mode. From yeh wo manzil ..to ..Hazron khwahishen…everywhere I can identify concerns which many of share with you. That apart, cinema finally is an art-form. Any great art creates its own context. Salvadore Dolly’s or Picasso’s paintings inspite reminding us of tormenting times of war ridden 20th century..and its catastrophies internalized in our minds, do not necessarily make us dependent on ‘facts and details of social-political history of second world war’…
Same goes true with the writings of Uday Prakash. A rare genious of narratives. Peeli Chhatri Wali ladki has created its impact on post-modern ideological writings not only in India, but on internation scene. PEN grant has been given to its English translator Jason Grunebaum from USA, who himself is a brilliant young writer in America with the title ‘Girl With the Golden Parasol’…and remember PEN award is given only to the ’suppressed writings of the world literature’…after Kurtul-en Haider, Uday Prakash is the only Indian to recieve it after 1946-48.
So ..who is ‘bullshitting’ ? Some castiest, sarkaari mediocre. a third rate frustrated mind ? I request you to keep such elements with ‘hatred agenda’ away from your blog…
Regards
Sudhirji,
Thanks for articulating what Indian cinema is in those first few sentences.
i saw u r interview on filmy thats why im reading this blog i like what u said that young filmmakers watch movies n get influenced but dont see a bit life more bang on this words were coming in my dreams u r a great filmmaker no 2 ways about that but u r agreat thinker!!!
sudhir chacha,
i think is raat ki subah nahi is ur best work till date followed by chameli followed by none.calcutta mail was a colour photo copy of is raat.
see sir i dont advocate bollywoodia philosophies(even though i enjoy some of them)but if u really think they make children movies ,i fail to understand y in d goddam world did u make a nightmare known as “koi mere dil se pooche”.didnt it contain all popular stuff like songs,rotten humor,and most important ingredent… no story line.
secondly y did u act in traffic signal man.didnt u do dt against ur conviction. u looked extremly uncomfortable acting sir.i went thru dt movie just 4 u sir….but m sorry urs was d worst performance.ur lips movement didnt match ur eyes expression.even d sound was not properly syncronised.sorry sir i wouldnt have said did had u not made “koi mere dil se pooche”.
ok i goofed up.n d coloumn above ive wrongly mentioned dt koi mere dil se pooche has been directed by sudhir mishra which is not,insted its been directed by some vinay shukla.so sudhirji m sorry.
Sir, isnt your name Sudhir - why dont you tell us to call you by name.
good thinking generates good ideas and they only turn into great piece of writing…and then great film…that’s the speciality of mishra saab….i hope we all admire his ideology…and will have to observe more life to make good films…b’cause cinema lies in the each moment of life…one who sees it… makes a film with a different perspective…we dont need a new story but we definitely need a different treatment..and filmmakers like Anurag Kashyap, Sudhir Misra..
hmm.. interesting. although a dose of escapism is also art. it all depends how well it is executed.
Sudhir,
Personally speaking, I think that the greatest favour man can do to mankind, is to enable at least one other human being to be able to think for himself. In order to do this one must first start figuring things out for himself, and not go by what is inculcated by society, for one of the gravest and most evil things that society instills is religion.
One needs to feed just one less fortunate child enough to make the child be able to think. The child can think only if he has a full belly, a tired and hungry slum child does not have the energy to be able to think, and it is this lack of thought that the establishment uses against him to be able to control him, thus the establishment can control only until there is hunger.
Popular cinema is a crime because of this precise reason, that it reinforces these age old religious sentiments, in the name of trdition, popular cinema refuses to let one think beyond the boundaries it sets. It makes you brain dead.
Everyone does not have equal life chances, and this difference leads to those better provided being able to think maliciously enough so as to keep the others hungry, both physically and intellectually, simply in order to be able to control. This is of course, personally speaking.
sir thoda off topic….
“What they need to ensure is democracy. What they need to ensure is that anyone can make a film. Then 90 percent of it will be crap. Or 95 percent will be crap. Just as 95 percent poetry is crap. Anybody, can write a book. But, five percent will be quite outstanding. And at any point, it’s only that five percent. Any point in history, its only 5 percent. If it’s five percent, it’s outstanding. It may even be one percent. 100 percent will never be. These are all notions. But, I think the government or people themselves, by becoming political have to ensure that for themselves.
Maybe the internet now will be the basis of that. ”
im facing this on utube,so,thought id ask ure thoughts,
sir if everyone turns filmmaker,and 95% is crap,aapne bohot pathbreaking film banaayi,
its one of those 5%,
but what happens is kisiko kisi aur ki film dekhne ki fursat nahi hai,cuz every1s makin their own films,
then then the crap becomes so much that those 5% quality films get lost in the dump.
the film got lost never reached the ppl,
now what ??
hmm…
i feel there should be some control over who makes the films…or not..after reading your blog these thoughts were runnin in my head…ure comments ?
:-?:-w
cud u pl tell how t/ hell 2 get a blog site in iin this paSSiiioioined 4 cinéma…. ….KASYUPgiri
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for f or the bother
here sum fodder the the grey stuff …
heloooo sar,
how itx goin
wannted to inform u some 1 is writing tons or rather gogles of BS about ur craft nPERSOAL LIFE i did try a ccouple of ttimes 2 get t/ msg thru, mayb u got¿
any way
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“WWW =WORLD WAR III )WE DONT EVEN KNOW IT N WE R FIGTHING SOME THING WHICH OUT THE REALMS OF OR SENSES (GOD IS OK SAY.)
U CANT FIGHT
GOD….
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ps…
sir,
quote -I personally think that most film makers in India are children and most films in India are childrens’ film and rather bad childrens’ films. Their notion of love is that of a fourteen year old-unquote
sirf is quote ke liye .. kabhie meri jaan bhi mangene to doonga
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