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Revenga
The desire for revenge stems from the mother of human follies. The expectation of fairness. I met some people last night at a bar (i get all my information/knowledge there) and found out that they got paid to study cooperation, fairness and altruism. I coughed bullshit and went on a rant about the humanities departments in universities and that I have greater use for my appendix.
I like to be right, but I love being wrong. I dug around a bit, and one particular study caught my eye. The link is posted below, but I will summarize it.
When monkeys are trained to perform a task with a reward (cucumber slice), they will perform with efficiency 90% of the time. When one monkey gets a greater reward (grape - monkeys love their grapes) for the same effort, the other monkeys were pissed off and refused to perform the task later and in many cases threw their cucumber outside the cage. Brother’s pissed off.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4179-monkey-business-reveals-sense-of-fair-play.html
I also read about another experiment where the monkeys mobbed the one unjustly rewarded. This is a profound understanding into the human condition. I am sorry Wendy for calling you a preening, pompous bitch. Call me.
Does the study on our oft maligned cousins sound familiar to the way you feel at work when you get passed over for promotion? Is this why we get pissed off when Sanjay Gupta makes his films from DVDs? Did I just call you a monkey? Is that what Bajji meant?
Several large scale human tragedies can be attributed to people’s need to avenge. The rise of the Third Reich and Hitler after the drubbing and humiliation of Germany in WW1, the current Gulf War as a retaliation for 9-11 (however misplaced), attack on Sikhs after Indira’s assasination, the rise of the RSS, VHP etc as a consequence of the misplaced sense of emasculation that Hindus feel and several others. It behooves us to understand this behavior in humans.
It has been shown over and over again that the best way to solve the world’s problems is by making a movie about it. Revenge lends itself to a good story very easily because of the immense conflict at the root of it.
We had our own films like Baazigar, and several Amitabh movies and the hero’s sister whose role was always a plot point, deserving only one raakhi song followed by rape and suicide/murder. Have you noticed how none of our heroes have sisters anymore because we don’t make 80s style revenge movies. Hollywood had the Bronson films and a whole bunch of B films which they tried to revive recently through The Brave One (What happened to you Jodie? I used to love you. Is it because you are coming out as a lesbian?) and Death Sentence (both abysmal excuses for a movie).
Revenge is a dish best served Korean.
The Koreans have turned it into art. No other country or cinema has internalized revenge so well. Their characters don’t believe in the doctrine of justifiable force (the excuse for Hiroshima), or Hammurabi’s ancient code of an-eye-for-an-eye. Brother’s been hurtin’, and he is going to put the hurt back on you. You fuelled a rumor in high school, he will kill your wife, imprison you for 15 years, manipulate you into having sex with your daughter, and then threaten to tell her that you’re a daughter fucker.
I have a hypothesis about the underlying revenge themes in Korean movies. As a country, they feel they received a raw deal. The Japanese fucked them over and stole their culture (a lot of things considered Japanese are actually Korean in origin), they had a big war that split the country, socialism and corruption was rampant (till they embraced democracy), and the women have a preference for men of a different race. They may very well be our cousins.
To say that the Koreans are obsessed with vendetta is an understatement. Here is a list of my favorite revenge films, majority of which are Korean.
Oldboy
Save the green planet (no other movie I have watched has managed to understand the psychological toll that the desire for revenge can take on a person, leading to delusion and borderline schizophrenia). This movie is funny, tragic and delightfully weird in ways only the Koreans have mastered.
Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance
Lady Vengeance
A Bloody Aria
Freesia (Japanese - Not that great a film, but wins for concept. A state run revenge institution with all the bureaucracy that accompanies it)
Baazigar (it was perhaps the only time in Indian movies, when the hero’s killing of an innocent was justified as a means to an end)
Meri Jung (if memory serves me well)
Kill Bill (average). I am waiting for a sequel, when the daughter of the black woman that Thurman kills in Volume 1 comes back to avenge her mother’s death.
V for Vendetta
There are several other movies that I don’t remember at this point. Do add ur favorite vengeance stories (from film or life).
p.s. When we were kids, my elder brother would tease me verbally. Due to my emotional and intellectual inferiority, I could not get back at him with words and would hit him with all the force my little body could muster. He was not allowed to hit back (yay fairness), so he would run away and I’d chase after him with a badminton racket in my hand and the war cry…Revenga.
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Pretty good read…
Favorite vendetta stories… from life, I’d rather not say as I haven’t been caught…though I often feel like they’re onto me…
From films, a rather underratred film which I’d have to admit I really enjoyed was “Billu Badshah” (Classic 80’s revenge cinema). Shatrugan Sinha waits several years, until he fulfills his responsibilities, before he goes to town on comic-villian Kader Khan… I love the fact that Shatrugan actually calls Kader Khan to update him that he’s completed another “zimidaari” (there are I think 3 in total) and that he’s one step closer to killing him… :)>-
will try and watch billu. love it already.
Dabba: loved the line Revenge is a dish best served Korean.
favorite revenge stories would include 2 of Dahl, ‘Lambs for Slaughter’ (made into TV film in Hitchcok presents) and ‘Revenge is Mine Inc’.
And I loved Main Intequam Loonga which had SPB making his Hindi film debut singing for the Punjabi accented Dharam Paaji, ‘Mein intequam loonga, apne dushmanon se’
thanks subrat. will watch Dahl’s films.
another film that i just rememberred.
Ms. 45 - Dir Abel Ferrara
Dabba… ‘chanakyan’
*ing Kamalhasan at his histrionic best, urmila matondkar, jayaram etc etc - mallu movie
(im surprised priyadarshan has not got around to buying its rights killing its soul…)
so too ‘Mahanadi’ written and directed by kamal again. this time in tamizh though
Here are a few of my fav revenge flicks. Some of the most interesting films are those which focus on the antagonist’s or anti-hero’s quest.
1) The Crow
2) Unbreakable
3) Straw Dogs
4) Unforgiven
5) Bad Guy
6) Raakh
7) Dead Man’s Shoes
8) Wuthering Heights
9) I’ll Sleep when I’m Dead
10) The Last of the Mohicans
D pac
“chanakyan ” would qualify in this genre .. but i doubt mahanadi .. cause i believe its just the last act of the story which involves revenge!!
well i thot mahanadi was directed by “santhana bharathi” .. lemme check it ..
up its santhana bharathi not Kamal hasan .. i believe kamal hasan sir’s first directorial venture was “chachi 420″
for me my fav classic for revenge would be “apoorva sahodarargal” in tamizh directed by “Singeetham Srinivasa Rao ”
and ofcourse “revenge” a Jackie chan movie that i saw years back ..actually i loved most of jackie chans movies that involved him learnin his lessons from his servant or some guru and then he goes abt fightin against the guys who killed his family, banged his sister or his loved one!
yep my bad… about the director
but revenge it is even if its towards the end
Teen Deewarine.
Anyway, majority of the Hindi Films have a revenge track in it. For example, Deewar, Ram Lakhan, Zanjeer, Sahenshah, etc…
Chanakyan is and always been one of the most ‘impactful’ of revenge flicks I have come across.
Another one I truly loved in my younger days was the Amitabh Starrer AKHREE RASTA, which also had a Kamal Hassan version. Yup, totally fell for it!
Just watched ‘Oldboy’ recently and wasn’t sure how I felt about it. Couldn’t take my eyes off it but at the end of it felt that the director had traded me a toffee in return for my balls…
Sanjay Gupta’s version was so lame but understandable…
My favorite revenge movie is Sholay!
Not sure if these can be classified as revenge but I love the revenge angle in them, it might be looked at as redemption/pay-off/balance of payment/mitigating contrasts, and the works…
history of violence
dirty harry
hindustani
sholay
thakshak
china gate
pukar(full on santoshi with a wild plot, loved Anil Kapoor)
Munich
and justice for all
ek ajnabi(ya I know, but I loved a dark Bachchan kicking some phoren ass)
khaki
baazigar, anjaam, darr(that phallic macho SRK is dead)
1947 earth
Maachis
maqbool
sarkar(the best badla sequences seen in recent times this side of the world)
yuva(just one scene- sonu sood-AB did it for me)
taxi driver(sorry, I am writing as they come)
memento
hey ram
constant gardner
hum
khuda gawah…fuck i should stop.
What the fuck is wrong with all of us?
Yes, Sholay is by far the best revenge drama, as far as hindi cinema goes..
Thanks DazedandConfused for bringing me to my senses… fuck that sounds so ironic…
Pratigya was good too… out and out revenge saga with a comic twist…
oh and Appu Raja (Kamaal Hassan as the dwarf) was awesome… I love that contraption he rigs up…
From Hollywood, V for Vendetta rocked… “People should not be afraid of its Government, Governments should be afraid if its People”… Unforgiven was great.. God Bless Clint Eastwood…
@ D&C, Tony -
Can’t believe that daddy of revenga films didn’t make my list. Sholay is hands down the best Indian revenge film ever, and I would go as far as to say, up there with my korean favorites.
also tony, george a,d DPac mentioned Apporva Sahodarangal, which was the tamizh version of appu raja. Another film that i enjoyed immensely.
@ mithun -
won’t count unbreakable as a revenge film. seen the others on your list. My bad for not inlcuding bad guy. Another one of my korean favs.
@ Dpac, geroge -
I watched Chanakyan a long time ago. the vhs print was really bad, so had to stop watching half way through. one of these days i intend to watch it again.
@ tushi -
How did i forget memento?
@ goonda,
teen deewarein was surprisingly good. i don’t know why a lot of people panned it. and it had a good revenge angle that u don’t find out till the end. i’m surprised kuku wrote that, cos it sticks out from all his other films. it may actually be his best film.
Memory loss ke funde pe film tha na, to chalta hai :)
Loved Teen Deewarein.
@dabba
I think that Unbreakable has one of the coolest twists and motivations ever.
Sam Jackson’s character becomes this super villian coz he was made fun of as the Glass man when he was a kid. So he bears a grudge against the entire world yet he tries so hard to find his nemesis so that he would have a formidable opponent. The best part is you don’t find this out till the last scene and just when you expect the final confrontation between good and evil the film ends.
Sexy !!!!
Mithun ….loved the last scene …Shyamalan has lost it these days ..his movies have exponentially degraded …from sixth sense ..Unbreakable ..signs ..and then all the mess …
@ mithun, anand k -
i love unbreakable and it is perhaps jackson’s best role. I still think that his acts were more of a “who am i quest” than a i”‘m gonna get the whole world”
I am doing a post on night, and will be analyzing unbreakable in that. wait for it.
sorry anand, signs is a bad film. too many problems.
dabba ….i agree signs had problems ..but it had its moments …and shyamalan stamp all over it ….even when an alein is shown in the birtday video on TV …it gives goosebumps..that was typical Shyamalan no scary music no fancy camera work ..but still holds you ….
yep, Teen Deewarine and Iqbal, are NK’s best piece of work so far…
Another revenge movie…
…The Bone Collector.
you can also say Rang de basanti as a revenge flick …:-?
@anand kadam
seeing the movies that have been named .. i feel RDB can easily qualify
but i feel that for a film to be in the “revenge” genre.. it shud have the entire screenplay revolving around the “revenge”…
or in other cases (as obove mentioned few) ne movie with a “love” sub plot cud be qualified as a “romantic” movie.
@dabba
plss do write abt “signs” also and what u dint like in it !!! for some odd reason .. it happens to be one of my fav!! may be i had the problem of “faith” at that time just as the protagonist.
@ Mainak
saw “Charlie wilson’s war” !!
loved it !! ;)
//you can also say Rang de basanti as a revenge flick //
You then wud be belittling an already miniature film…
What about these?
1) The Tokyo Drifter
2) Odishon
3) Lady Snowblood
4) 301/302
5) Death Rides a Horse …
I did like Unbreakable over Sixth sense even though Unbreakable did not have the suspense element for me. I kind’a knew it (somehow). Oh! what about Khoon Bhari Maang :D.
Also which one is the Raakhi Suresh Oberoi movie where Raakhi says ke “Main Paani Pilaa Pilaa ke maroongi!” to Oberoi????
This is precisely the problem with a post like this one, which aims at generic classification of cinema.
Most comments that follow such a post quite often miss the point that its author might be bringing to the table. And such miscalculation belittles many films, sometimes by getting their purposes wrongly chalked and sometimes by misreading their souls..
*Purposes wrongly chalked OUT( Damn.. my grammer comes and goes)
@30.Sarang
Is the rakhi movie : Shradhanjali
http://imdb.com/title/tt0369928/
@SR
Thanks!!! I just couldn’t resist mentioning it….
@ SR and Sarang -
Now I am dying to watch Raakhi clench her jaw and in the slowest dialogue delivery known to motion picture history say, “Main Paani Pilaa Pilaa ke maroongi!
@ sreehari -
my intention was not to treat revenge as a genre. by no means at all. I wanted to see how many movies shared revenge as THE primary theme or plot and how differently they tackled it.
Until my exposure to Korean films, I always found all revenge films were very generic eye-for-an-eye type films.
And then i started discovering the psychological revenge films. Even Cape Fear, which i failed to mention. The desire for revenge is fascinating and lends itself to cinema quite readily.
I did not want to narrow it down and reply to every post saying these are MY criteria for revenge films. I was curious to see what others threw up, and was frankly hoping for a more in depth discussion. Unfortunately, I failed to engage, and it has turned into a list post which was the last thing on my mind.
I think all comic book inspired movies have an underlying revenge plot. I find that nobody seems to have mentioned Batman.
I particularly liked the whole revenge as a motivation to protect the people, premise of the story.(of course this was best explored in the Bruce Nolan Movie, please dont think about the shit that was produced earlier)
Munich………………
Khoon Bhari Maang …….
Black Friday………..
and btw isnt Baazigar a copy of some Matt Damon flick…………
$iDs ..bazzigar ..is copy of kiss before death ..or something like that ..not sure if it has matt damon in it …
hindi revenge dramas i like
Zanjeer
Ghayal
Agneepath
@Dabba and the fellow commentators,
Could you guys instead search for a Hindi film which has no dose/touch of REVENGE in the plot?
Even Love stories have it there.
That list can be quite interesting :)
If some researcher can dig in the archive of Hindi cinema?
RK the list will be endless
@Anand (41),
Endless list with ongoing search of revenge based movies or with the territory which I asked, where we dont have any revenge subplot in the film?
endless where we dont have any revenge subplot in the film
@Anand (43)
so basically these films, which you have in mind, dont have any character who played even temporarily as villain or a bad person?
@RK
Saath Saath
Jaagruti
Guddi
Woh Saat Din
Saheb
Koshish
Angoor
Taare Zameen Par
RK …
kuch kuch hota hai ,
Hum apke hai kaun,
vivaah,
hum saath saath hai …
may be all such kind of films ….
@Mithun and Anand,
so there are actually films made on subjects dealing without “bad things” and many of them have been quite successful at BO. :)
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Sorry for disagreeing about few of the films mentioned in your lists.
Saheb, Vivah and to some extent HAHK are not completely devoid of revengeful dose as sub plot in the main story.
Saheb - Anil Kapoor beats some goons and when he is coming back after taking advance money from Pinchoo Kapoor then same goons take revenge from him and beats him.
Vivah- its basic foundation is based on revengeful mentality and thus subsequent behaviour of Seema Biswas towards niece of her husband. Amrita Rao is far pretty than her daughter, her husband takes care of Amrita and these factors provoke Seema Biswas to take revenge from Amrita at every step.
HAHK - character of Bindu serves that purpose where revenge becomes part of a person’s attitude.
Sorry these are nit pickings but they have been given enough importance in the films listed above.
Agree these are not revenges- where characters take vows to finish others, but mild and subtle.
But basically Hindi cinema consists of all drama material and revenge is one of them.
Bobby, Love Story and Betab, all these love stories have sub-plots dealing with revenge.
Devdas has revenge between relationships.
But true if discussion is limited to high degree revenge where main plot is REVENGE and film is having obvious action based violence then they wont occur in the revenge based films.
it will be endless Rk
astitva
dil chahta hai
kabhi khushi kabhi gham
bend it like beckam
mr and mr iyer
nishabd
saathiya
kal ho na ho
hum tum
saawariya
black
this is just from last 4-5 years
RK …then even in TZP after Ishan’s fight with the bullie …he breaks all the flower pots on the way to terrace ..that was kind of revenge :)
Or you could look at TZP as a teacher’s ‘revenge’ against uncaring parents ;)
:d
@DPac,
Astitva, KKKG, Mr and Mrs Iyer, Nishabd, DCH, Saathiya (Chalte Chalte also), Black
all have touch of revenge in the characters in some way or other. They behave and act in certain way because they are filled with revenge inside.
I am curious to know on what basis you may put Astitva and Mr and Mrs Iyer like obvious films in your list where revenge has played a great role in main story.
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I forgot in Anand’s list
Hum Saath saath hain - Reema Lagu and Sadashiv Rao Amrapurkar’s angle is there to fulfil the purpose.
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This is digging out something. Hope its going fine.
@Anand and Aditya,
Surely TZP has an angle of revenge.
Deep down Ishan’s father Mr Awasthi is revengeful towards his own son because he is unable to accept that his son may not be able to compete with other kids of his age. Hence he is revengeful inside and behave under that feeling.
Compassion is not there because of his ego. That should be base which should have been told to the actor to understand the character.
Aamir’s character has compassion and hence he is not revengeful.
Am I found clear?
Rk,
conflict of interest is not revenge per se
it seems ur definition of revenge is all encompassing….
even someone who coughs might be ‘vengeful’ to mother nature for making him sick :-)
DPac(53),
you mean to express that
(1) Re. Astitva- when Sachin Khedekar, after knowing the fact that Tabu had cheated on him years ago and their son is not actually his own biological son, then what he does is based on “Conflict of interest” and not based on “revengeful feelings”?
(2) Re. Mr and Mrs Iyer- When Hindu Fundamentalists kill Bhishma Sahni and Surekha Sikri then they are not taking revenge but they are doing it because of “conflict of interests”. At that time they are not filled with revenge towards any muslim person?
Here in second case it can be understood that their leaders who have provoked them might have worked with “conflict of interest”. but actual doers?
So communal violence qualifies as revenge. hmmmn…what about freedom movement?
RK, what about hum tum,socha na tha,kank,
@DPac (53) re. rest parts -
With my understanding Maqbool is revenge drama of Tabu. She is the pivotal person who suffers daily because of powerful position of old don and she cant do anything and hence her revengeful aspirations direct the events.
She might not be seen on surface but she is directing the course of events. My defintion of revenge cover that also.
Surely discussion here was limited to vows based revenge.
I must contribute to that list with “BADLE KI AAG” as name suggests its all about revenge and that too multistarrer.:)
@Neerja,
being human, do you know any violence done without revengeful feelings? :-?
Freedom movement without the feeling of revenge?
Please educate if since the inception of humanity on earth, there has been any movement without revenge feeling?
Without realising that one is doing wrong to other, how this other can feel to get freedom? This cant be done without having feeling of revenge inside. ways of protestation can be different,[suppose in next step you try to quote Mahatma Gandhi's non-violent movement].:)
@Rk,
agreed the communal hatred thing in mr and nrs can be somewhat construed or at least seen to have shades of vengeance.
but sachin in Astitva - apart for feeling a sense of betrayal , theres no revenge string there
and i didnt mention Maqbool in my list.
KKKG, Nishabd, DCH, Saathiya, Chalte Chalte, Black, saawariya… nothing there either.
conflict of interest yes. mebe even strains of emotional trauma and denial but revenge nah :-)
@RK
Ok I agree with you to some extent.
I thought revenge meant retaliating to injustice done to you and then inflicting same/similar pain on the person who caused it.
Going by this definition, it definitely depends on the ways of protestation.
@DPac,
Ok brother, so do you believe that people dont take revenges in relationships?
KKKG- in emotional trauma, people suffer and they dont give punishments to their dear ones who have done something against their will. For me thats purely revenge, you did that and now bear this situation. Even a small child is known to this revenge sense right from his early childhood when he is angry and wants to take revenge from his/her parents who have neglected him/her.
Not going on case to case but this is purely a psychological fact that mostly relationships are filled with sense of revenge towards each other.
Thats different thing that this revenge feeling comes out of ego but then all kind of revenge are based on the human ego.
Be it Old Boy or some other case. one’s ego is hurt by one’s propaganda and hence story takes place.
– true you did not take name of Maqbool, but you asked abt my definition of revenge, so I gave example.:)
ok BRO eheheh
people do take things into their hands and in retaliation to emotional trauma and degradation set out for REVENGE…
BUT it is called REVENGE when they set out to do harm or hurt ….
in the films i mentioned nobody does that
@Anand (56)
If you will push me to the wall then yes re- SNTha I can give you example of revenge.
Abhay Deol under his foolishness shows at home of Ayesha Takia that he actually has liked her and her family starts thinking that both family can under go a relationship. But later they get denial from Abhay and his father Suresh Oberoi.
Now obviously after this incident, Ayesha’s uncle and aunty and cousine Raj Jutshi behave under feeling of revenge. If this feeling of revenge was not there inside them then film could have been finished at the spot where Raj Jutshi and sandhya Mridul see Abhay and Ayesha hugging at her college.
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Saif in Hum Tum goes on Tulsidas’s way. You have to think what was the driving force behind creations of Tulsidas and Saif?:-?
i agree with DPac.
RKSaab, you should have used Pinjar or Pyar Tune Kya Kiya or Darling as examples, to defend your view…
@DPac(62),
Now we have touched the subject and we all parties have opportunity to think, rethink on the films mentioned.
For ex.
Black- what character of Nandita Sen does or feels towards Rani inspite of the fact that she loves her because she is her sister. I see revenge in subtle way because she fells that she is neglected because her parents give more attention to Rani.
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Rest there shd be in other films also.
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H.G,
I am not sure in which category you would put ARTH’s end if you have seen the film).
RK….hats off to you for finding a ‘revenge’ angle in every film. Would love to hear your take on Chupke Chupke, Anand(’revenge’ against destiny?), Yaadein (the old Sunil Dutt starrer that had only one actor…was that “revenge’ against loneliness?)
Rk saaab .. i understand what u r trying to say.
but i truly believe an upgraded vocabulary from ur side will finish this argument off :-)
Nandita Sen feels ENVY. which is altogether a different feeling. of course if she had instigated some other character to kill off or send off rani to some obscure village then there u go
she acts on her ENVY and we would say she was vengeful towards rani’s character
but as things stood when the curtain came down, it was just an envious /jealous step sister there
@DPac (67),
Ok brother, I upgrade the vocabulary :)
and accepts that Nandita is jealous of her sister.
[She remains simply jealous and out of this jealousy she does not make suffer her blind and deaf sister in the nights when she asks her if she is thirsty and even after knowing about her thirst, she does not bring water and simply takes a turn to sleep, leaving her sister thirsty]
Its not revenge generated out of her own produced jealousy because afterall she is not giving Rani big harms.
and then comes Kamasutra of Mira Nair. Perhaps there also Maya (Indira Verma) does not act to take her revenge from Tara (Sarita Chaudhary)! There also Maya does not take vows to harm Tara and even keeps sympathy also.:-?
So the Jealousy is the basic route and actions generated out of this feeling dont come under revenge unless they produce big harms to the other person.
:-?
@ RK bhai
I da go da sleep…
leaving you with this :-)
re
RK ..i guess then every film we will find some hidden revenge …also in jurassic park :d
@DPac,
Have a nice sleep:)
I am not very good reciever for bookish quotes which may be defined in the past while we are going ahead in life.
rest some other time.
:)
OH my gawD!!!!
that was the blooody dictionary!!
rk saab aaap purush nahin Maha purush ho!! i rest my case ehehe:-)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZ
@Aditya (66),Anand (70) also:
Not every but most of the films may have shades of revenge somewhere if we are ready to consider sub plots.
From Shakti to Mission Kashmir all are full of revenge.
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One does not have to give Supari to show this revenge.
I argue with someone here, s/he does not take it in good way. I make next post, person may attack me with different Id and from different IP address. He did try to harm me from his side though I did not get any in reality but still he behaved under revengeful feelings. If we like we may say such behaviour of attacking others with pseudo ids, a matter of jealousy also when some one comes out of blue and attacks anyone.
To reply someone gives different feelings and to ignore gives different feelings.
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You are right Anand, if you like it (JP) can be covered under revenge of dinosaurs, their peace is attacked by men. Men make intrusion in their living and they try to take revenge from these intruders. This is situational revenge as dinosaurs themselves are not coming to cities to take revenge.
:)
@DPac(72)
ya thats dictionary thats why I said. you are taking resort of limited meanings of words given in dictionary editions avialble to you at a given time. Dictionaries dont necessarily represents all the meanings a word can have. They are moderate compilation of meanings by people like us and everybody has limitations (of space also).
Moreover your effort showed me that you are thinking on the pattern what your dictionary says about word “REVENGE”. so anything outside of that territory is not acceptable to you.
For those who didnt know till now
‘RK’ stands for Revenge Kumar eheheheheeh
Bas RK saaab Time out!!!!!
i really HAVE to sleep now ehehe :-)
RK,”his is situational revenge as dinosaurs themselves are not coming to cities to take revenge.”
they do come in part 2 ..the lost word :d
@Anand (77)
Here you go. They were brought by men again to city based park and hence again they created havoc there.
:)
Zabardast
hmmm
Dabba
My Favourite Revenge Movie is
“Once upon a time in the West”
Love the Soundtrack a lot<):)
D pac etta .. cant believe .. u took all those posts seriously and kept replyin … entha ee kali ?? ;)
Dabba,
Like I said, I am not doubting your intentions. But just making a list… listing films within a genre, sometimes even listing them just for the heck of it doesn’t add upto an analytical demeanour. It makes for great social interaction maybe.
Maybe I am anti-social, but I believe discussions on cinema ought to be analytical and not a mere exercise in social contact.
Revenge for maintenance of one’s pride and self-respect and revenge for one’s basic survival. Those r two different kinds of revenge.
De Niro’s character in “Cape Fear”, Cady seeks revenge just so that he can erase the bruises of his past-life and that revenge is more of a self-gratification kind of thing for him. His pride is what is most important to him. And for that pride, he can even die. Revenge to him is just another abstract attribute he exercises in his quest to constantly maintain that pride and self-respect.
Now, take for example a movie like “Devasuram”. Neelakanthan, played by Mohanlal is badly mutilated by Shekharan, an arch-rival of his. He is taunted both physically and mentally. In the closing sequence, Neelakanthan extracts revenge, by cutting off Shekharan’s hands. But as he does that he moans away in anger and desperation.. “I am cutting off your hand, because I want to live and your hand can conflict with my peaceful existence”…
Neelakanthan’s revenge isn’t about reinstating his own pride as much as it is about his prime will to live his life peacefully.
So, while revenge in Cady’s case was about maintenance of his pride and self-respect, for Neelakanthan it was an imperative thing for him to do just so that he can survive..
Not about Cinema,
But guys,
read ‘Rolal Dahls’ “William and Mary”
Creepy Revenge story,.
My God,.. Shudder
(…?? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???)
@ Sreehari
tu sahi bola,
are you in Trivandrum?
@ sreehari -
what are your thoughts on the need for revenge by Thakur in Sholay at the psychological level?
@ shekhar -
ennio moricone. what a composer!
@ Dabba
sorry off the topic,.
talk about Ennio Moricone and Sergi Leone, and Their Influence,
just check out “At the worlds End” (Pirates of the Carribean)
this sequence from 1:48:50
very Morricone type background score, and visuals are more like Sergi(Sirji) Leone type:)
Revenge happens every now and then. If not in film, director v/s producer, script writer v/s director, distributors v/s producer goes on..In fact i enjoy revenges that happens outside the game. Not communal violence anyway. Good piece of work..love the article
@RK(65)
Thank God! you are undecided on Arth :D
I do not see any revenge angle there.
@Shekhar
I am fan of Roald Dahl but haven’t read the story you mentioned. Checked it on wikipedia. The story reminded me of the movie ‘Bitter Moon’ which surprisingly nobody has mentioned yet.
Big B’s favourite Revenges : Parwana, Trishul (my fav ofc), Agnipath, Aankhein, Jurmana, Namak Haraam, Bemisal
Most subdued Revenge of recent times : MSFU
How about Sridevi’s tamil movie Moondru Mudichu (probably remade in hindi as Durga (Hema)?) where she becomes saas of villain rajni by marrying Rajni’s father (seen it about 20 years back on DD)..
Scarface
@Neeraja (90),
How you are concluding that I am undecided about ARTH?
you type - “I do not see any revenge angle there”.
Good for you. :)
@RK
Oh ok, so you are not? sorry, my bad.
So, do you see a revenge angle there?
@Neerja,
Arth’s subject I had mentioned for Honhaar G. This could have gone ahead with his response.
Now its immaterial what I find there objectively.
Thats a film and film or films can be discussed when one is able to connect them with life especially when they are made on human relationships. So to discuss such films understanding or experience of having seen such situations around us in real life is must.
Its not Matrix or hypothetical theories based situation which have less to do with real lives of people and we can discuss them like alien subject and where everybody can throw any idea.
To discuss further it will be very appropriate to know your feeling about place or existence of revenge like feelings in the relationship between two persons or among people.
Without that understanding it may become a mundane and ongoing process of useless debate.
I hope you take it in right manner.
Thank you@};-~o)
HEY GUYZZZZZZZZZ HOW CAN U FORGET KARAN ARJUN
@RK
I agree to what you say about Arth and about movies based on real relationships.
In fact, I brought this up even though your ‘Arth’ comment was for HG, because it’s one of my favourite movies.
Just to make sure, when you say the end of Arth, you mean Shabana not accepting her ex-husband back in her life, right?
i have not seen Arth, unfortunately or fortunately… :-D
lol HG! Go watch it!
It’s Shabanaji’s one of the finest performances :)
Dabba,
Well u dont need psychology to tell u how a person of Thakur’s mettle wud react to his family being mercilessly slaughtered and him rendered totally crippled, do you?
But in Sholay… I think the situation is an interesting one, because the revengee (Gabbar) on some levels does become as important a character as the revenger or even more..
All thru the length of the movie, you hate Gabbar for his deeds even as u on some levels find his actions piquant, dont u?
So, in the climax, you react positively to his death cos its pertaining to the ‘good thruimphing over the evil’ story that u have heard an umpteen number of times. But, at the same time on a greyer level, u do miss the enigma that is Gabbar.
The thing with Sholay was that it succeeded in making u hate that character even while u smiled at his actions once.
A lesser known maker, mind u, might not be able to balance that dichotomy properly and hence the movie might fail in totality.
Which is why I believe one must not attempt to remake the ‘the soul of Sholay’. you might learn from its technical aspects and stuff. But, you shud not try remaking its soul..
Sholay might be a good teacher, but u wont be able to totally grasp the lessons it teaches u, if u arent a good enuf student..