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Sunday 100: On Sunday you…
Even in the 21st century we humans are very superstitious. More so the Indians. We have facilities like ‘Buy a car, get puja done for free’(BTW, that does not mean you get a Puja with the car and you do her, for free.) I am not here to ridicule the beliefs because I also can be very superstitious….. sometiemes. But not as superstitious as people in the Indian Film Industry.
They will hire/consult a Pandit and a numerologist before they start thinking about making a film. The Pandit will perform all the rituals and the Numerologist will guide them throughout the filmmaking from the film name to the release date.
Indian Filmmaking is only about three things Numbers, Letters and Stars in the Universe & in the gutters. They have a thing for letter ‘K’ - it is sort of a good omen for them and they stay away from letter ‘C’ - it sort of brings bad omen to them. I though K is for Kali and that would… Beats me!
Last week apna Subrat encouraged the mavericks of apni Filmi Industry to bring the old skool Nagin storytelling back to the silver screen. And this week I would like to encourage RGV factory (and RGV is Back - he soon will be!) to come up with a Darna Mana Hain 2 or a Darna Zaroori Hain 2.
Strangely, the title for this week is a line/dialogue from film Khatta Meetha, which we all know is a light-comedy-family-drama.
So without further ado, the title for this week is:
(E-tuh-waar Ko Naa-Khoon Nahin Kaat-teh)
On Sunday you should not cut nails!
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Vasan, you missed last week’s sunday 100! And btw, that “Sunday 100″ of yours is in more than 100 words and it doesn’t reflect the title, so you will have to write a new one. :-D
monday morning!
claketty claketty clack
@HG,
What is next, why some dont eat egg on this day or that day, and why some dont cut hairs etc. you have decided to bring out most boring subjects.
You must be the first contributer in every Sunday 100 so that others can open their gyan chakshu after reading your story;)
i haven’t contributed this week.
and i don’t know what title could readers find boring or interesting or easy or difficult, so i just pick something out that i find intriguing or something that is not norm. [ i did say in 'Sunday 100: Surprise' that it is God decides what he wants to read on Sunday;-) ]
i thought a creative mind can find something interesting in everything, no?
anyway, will try to make this more interesting… !
@H.G,
ya a creative mind can find something interesting in everything and if not in main subject itself then in a discussion about that subject;)
And when God is deciding what s/he wants to read on a particular sunday then what we humanbeing can do.
s/he has given us duty to perform our parts.
and till people are able to pull their socks on any subject its fine.
But still now you being a “Priest” working between God and ordinary humanbeing may ask God not to become too self indulgent so that poor public also may enjoy reading/watching etc.
Creation for whom ? has been a vital question among creaters since long time especially after the advent of cinema.
Your film should be made for whom?
;)
Exactly, that is what I am trying to do, by sharing an anecdote before giving out title, so people would have something to say, but I guess I have not shared anything interesting.
I thought, people would write an article on the combination of Shammi Kapoor and RafiSaab which created fire on the screen or at least will start a discussion… after the last week’s Sunday 100, but no… I guess, I need to spell it out…..
Why did God create earth? Cos he was self indulgent. Why do filmmakers make films? Cos they are self indulgent.
@H.G,
People dont go to watch films made by self indulgent Directors because people too are self indulgent. Unless something is there which interest them, unless something is there in the film with which they correlate their lives or unless they think they can get something they dont accept films or any artform.
Creation for whom????????
Though this is also true and its a big truth in the creative world that creaters of masterpieces somehow generate something where they are completely involved while creating that thing and fully absorbed in the creation but their creations affect or touch the lives of countless people.
Even in toughest masterpieces there is a thread which people catch and later can find out whole weaving pattern.
That single thread is that connection which unites creator and audience/readers.
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Hope you dont take it personally. Its wonderful to see Sunday 100 alive. Keep it going. To search new and new interesting subjects may be very good for your creative mind also. Its not a joke to search interesting subjects week after week.
I wrote for sake of humour only.
:)
So you saying everyone are self indulgent? I agree so.
Nah, I never take anything personally… i got the humor. (I hate silence - pin drop silence!), so comments are always welcomed.
:-D
@HG,
ya every alive entity should be/is self indulgent. Difference comes how this self indulgency connect with others lives.
An amateure playing music at a small gathering will be appreciated and everybody will enjoy it but same cant be included in professional mediums like films as there a certain quality will be required.
Then there are contexts.
A song may get popularity because it has got a catchy tune and is sung in a good manner but when considering same song with right context that its used for a film set in era of 14th 15th century then its class will depend on the instruments used in the orchestra. Are there instruments used in composition which were not present in those era? If musician has used modern instruments then overall admirers of such songs have to defend the work of their so called master composer because he did mistakes. Fans have to take resort of defense that ultimately song is popular. Its popular but not classy and hence not a masterpiece. Masterpieces dont have such mistakes and master composers dont make such mistakes.
And you must know such songs ;)
lol, if i understand what you are saying then, are you referring to Jodha Akbar and A R Rahman? He is still and will always be Azeem-o-shaan-shahensha! The album is sublime! I have not seen the film, so cannot comment on how they are featured in the film. But, i think, Jodhaa Akbaar does sound like those era, even though I have not heard anything from that era.
Would not you say Jashan-E-Bahar is sort of based on Dhrupad raag?
I was not referring to any particular song but songs where this kind of mistake is often repeated.
To see similar mistakes in Jodha Akbar’s songs, will have to listen them. Have listened them during watching of the film only. But, I doubt,( perhaps) Guitar is used in Khwaja Mere Khawaja. For a certain impression will have to listen it attentively. You lovers, who listen JA’s songs repeatedily, may say with more authenticity. If ARR has used Guitar in that song and his favourite synthesiser then its wrong. No matter how popular song becomes, his mistakes will not be diluted.
Dhrupad singing has many Raagas. and I am not having that intrusion in classical music that can differentiate when ARR switch from Dhrupad and Khyal singing in his songs. First his orchestra is too heavy and it deviates real focus. He may not be interested in giving his best tunes to everybody, unless he ses filmmaker really knows music and he is interested in pure and genuine songs only.
Loved Jashn e bahara song in the film. Found it best. After Roja’s ye haseen vadiyan in Hariharan’s voice he has found a good male singer to sing a song in a beautiful manner. Singer has a wonderful future if he does not become victim of politics of Hindi cinema. He may become best play back singer in no time.
— ARR- azeemo shan shehanshah. Dont know in Playback music as I dont think he could have given better and apt music for a theme based music for a film like Pinjar. Uttam Singh reserves his place in the film in a way as he was meant for this.
But yes in background music ARR is on top. He is more versatile who has command on many areas but even then he is not best as far as filmi background music is concerned.
and this is just within alive music composers if comparison will go with old master composers then he has tough time.
Let him make first atleast one melodeous romantic duet before we pollute his mind that he has become a Shehanshah. He has great skills and hope he creates great compositions.
He hasn’t used guitar, I believe. In the promo, I have seen a Saarangi type of instrument and other guitarist type of a musical instrument. tushar, in his soundtrack reviews, has mentioned that it is a Turkish instrument, i think.
Khawja Mere Khawja, is sort of a qawaali/prayer, no? In pre-harmonium era, the Qawwals used to have Saarangi…
…so i do not find any technical wrongs in Khawja Mere Khawja.
If he has/ had used Harmonium/Guitar then he would have been in wrong, but I don’t think he has..
Why does he have to make one melodeous romantic duet in order to acknowledge him as a Shahenshah?
@HG,
Akbar had more area to rule in India than Britishers and hence he is called as Shahanshah. Ashok Ruled bigger area then Akbar.
you might have heard the saying
“Jahanpnah Shah Alam
Delhi se Palam”
By the time Shah Alam became king his empire was reduced from Delhi to Palam only ( around 7-8miles distance). Now in democracy one may call him Shahanshah if s/he feels pleasure in calling so. Unless his feelings are not harming others what difference does that make.
So in Democracy if ARR is called as Shahanshah without even composing a melodeous romantic duet and this feeling is not harming others its fine:).
But to become true Shahanshah one has to cover bigger territories.
Now in reality one does not have to shot sixer for making a century, he can make it without playing a shot for sixer also but he must be capable to play it when its opportunity and when its needed.
Sunil Gawaskar was as great batsman even without making those glorious 100s in Relience cup one day, because he had shown his greatness before at various occasions but he did not leave this acheivement also. He touched it.
A state leader is a state leader no matter how popular he is in his state. A national leader is a national leader.
Hindi cinema music is mostly about Romantic songs and mostly duets. ARR has proved his skills in qawali (Noor … in Minakshi), Bhajan (O Palanahare in Lagan) Fun songs (Masti ki pathsala ) and other fields but either I have missed or he has not composed any romantic duet till now.
As a composer one has to compose songs dealing with various moods. Sad songs and romantic duets have been two very common fields on which hindi cinema music has been thriving till now.
and as I mentioned above, his fans can call him Emperor of Emperors even if he makes only one kind of songs but its not necessary that rest of the crowd will also keep accordance with this opinion.
:-?
RK ,
ARR duet song :
Khamoshiya gungunane lagi …sonu nigam and Lata Mangeshkar ….srk and juhi …film 1 2 ka 4
@Anand, anand
Man is this your sample song from Shahanshah;)
well I will join you guys on this duet thing later if it goes ahead. Till then please dig in archive of ARR to take out a really good song which could be said as a “good romantic duet”
RK ..yaar i like this song …its melodious
He has done quite few quality romantic duet songs, which in my opinion are quality:
Paigham sung by Shaan and Kavita Krishnamurth; Lakeer
Badal/Khuda Afiz from Yuva
Jogiya Jogiya/Mahive Mahive from The Legend of Bhagat Singh
Ishq Bina/Taal from taal.
Dekho Na from Swades
O Rey Chori from Lagaan
Tere Bina; Guru
Eta ki hochhe? This is sunday 100 no? SUNDAY 100!
@HG
I do agree with RK. You must should post a story, especially when you give such a vague and not very appealing topic.
par chalo koi baat nahi, since there aren’t too many, let me post a jhandu one:
“Did you cut your nails?” inquired Ashish
Neha smiled and said in a teasing tone “No! Why should I?”
“Coz I don’t want bloody nail scratches on my back, it hurts!”
“Ok yaar!”
In night:
“show me your hands”
Neha kept her little palms in Ashish’s hands. “Alright we are not doing it tonight” declared Ashish.
“Arey yaar, maa said that I shouldn’t cut nails on Sunday. But, if you don’t want to do it, it’s fine” she stood up, mischief dancing with the light in her eyes. She slowly dropped her night dress on floor.
Ashish stared at her beautiful body and whispered “You Bitch!”
@Anand
I also like ‘khamoshiyaan gungunane lagin..’ [:)]
and also badal from Yuva.
but come to think of it RK is right, there aren’t too many them.
oops wrong smiley! Orkut hangover :D
Haven’t you guys heard of the phrase: “On Sunday you should not cut nails cos it is bad omen”?! And I did give you guys a few hints.. like Darna Mana Hain, superstitious…
…never mind… sighs.
next week the title is going to be more vague than this….
hg..i have heard it’s bad omen to cut nails on SAT….and if u..shani will haunt you…:d
HG,RK this was a difficult topic,could’nt think of a story spontaneously….got an idea last night….der aayee durusth aayee…another proverb:)…and with neeraja’s story comming in too….well, here goes….
A very long time ago,the society for propogation of superstitions amongst Hindus held their periodic conference.
The Mukhiya addressed them ” we’re gathered here to determine and ban an activity on sunday…the only day on which we don’t have a superstition to observe….should we consider a ban on sex on sundays?.
He was greeted by a loud roar of disapproval.
Something struck him on his face.It was a piece of a fingernail!
He looked across to notice a man chopping away at his nails with an knife.
“Thats it…..we’ll ban this…etwaar ko nakhun nahin kaattey!
@HG,
(1) Rafi Lata, Rafi Asha, Rafi-Geeta Dutt, Rafi-Suman kalyanpur, Kishor - Lata, Kishor-Asha, Mukesh -Lata, Manne De- Lata, Mahendra Kapoor- Lata, Mahendra Kapoor- Asha, Hemant Kumar- Lata
we can be tired but countless romantic will be there which are sung by above mentioned pairs of singers.
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(2)I need not to mention songs as you yourself have heard all those melody based romantic duets.
just to clear the category- some samples
- Dil Ka Bhanwar kare
- ye raat bheegi bheegi
- ye naye nayee preet hai
- parvaton ke pedon par
- hey maine kasam li
- aaj madhosh hua jaye re mera man
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(3)Film music has been established as a separate and independent field and here its very much possible that a regular music composer may give better play back music than Jakir Hussain, Amjad Ali Khan because they are not used to of these kind of things.
a Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is king but only in his special territory that is qawali or sufi type songs
a Menhdi Hassan is able to beat anyone in his field of ghazal singing
but its not necessary that these kings will be able to give best play back music also in the films and may beat a Naushad or a SDB there.
same is true vice versa also. Filmi composers may not beat these masters in their fields.
We all have to take things in right prospective.
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Nothing to hurt die hard fan of ARR sitting inside you. But for fair evaluation pattern -
Being so ardent fan and spending hours and hours in listening his compositions and considering the fact that no one, no matter how talented he is, is devoid of weakness.
3 weaknesses of ARR’s music/1 weakness of ARR’s music?
ofcourse considering his past compositions.
Do you see any? Or he and his music has no weakness at all and hence Adjective - Azeemoshan Shahanshah is apt for him ;)
HG @ 13.
you said : Khawja Mere Khawja, is sort of a qawaali/prayer, no?
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Rehman himself is confused IMO 8-|
http://movies.indiatimes.com/AR_Rahman_Musical_quotes/articleshow/2808562.cms
Quote
“Khwaja meri khwaja is not a qawali, it’s a love song”, announces Rahman.
Unquote
IMO ARR is only a hype. He has good songs, some of them are superlative, no doubt about it. But they are very few. The rest is all crap, loud and repititive.
kcp: Rahman is not confused!! Sufism is all about divine love. So Khwaja Mere Khwaja is both a prayer and a love song.
ok, now I am confused. The major question bothering me was that whether is was a Qawwali and so when Rehman’s answer that it is not a Qawwali but a love song, it confused me more. And HG saying Qawwali=prayer confused me more. So I thought Rehman was confused. Sorry for the confusion folks
:d/
Romantic duet - does Satrangi re not count? And Ai hairathe, Dekho na, Khamoshiyaan.
err…what is the confusion here? isn’t Qawwali a style of singing while love is a mood?
So, a qawwali can be a prayer or a love song or a philosophical song or anything else.
Yes Neerja but Rehman says that it is “not” a Qawwali :-)
kcp: aren’t we reading too much into a line which in probability has been quoted out of context?