FOR ADULTS ONLY – The fuck of the century
The best way to fuck a man or a woman is when he/she is down or defenseless.
Manish Jha made his name after he got acclaim at Cannes for a short film called A very very silent film. It has a woman so poor she lives on the pavement. She covers herself with a gunni bag in which she collects garbage in the day. That whole night men keep coming inside the gunni bag seeing a lonely woman and keep raping her. Sometime in the morning one of the men discovers she is dead. He goes his own way, and a local constable seeing a lonely woman comes and rapes her not knowing she is dead.
How can a society be so full of apathy we all wonder and shake our heads.
We may shake our heads in sadness, but we are all the same. No one gives anyone a chance when one is down, but the minute he delivers cumulative tongues come out for a collective ass licking.
It’s at its peak when it comes to films.
The world would lie prostrate in front of Sooraj Barjatya when he gave hits after hits redefining box office history. The minute he gave a box office dud, even a bug on the street came out to hit bricks on his face questioning his filmmaking, his lack of public appearances, his style, his storytelling. Today he gives a Vivaah, tongues are out.
Pavan Kaul did not have a hit in Shhh, today he is making his next film and writing a blog, since he doesn’t have an amour of A list stars in his rooster he is an easy target, so take out every egg you have in the basket and hit him, he has even been called a copycat wannabe for blogging on PFC, tomorrow he gives a hit, every ass-licking tongue will be out taking a procession.
Look at our very own Anurag, known for speaking his mind, hell if I was in his place I would have killed someone by now out off frustration, three films in the cans, not one out. Over the years they called him ‘jinxed, an asshole for having a big mouth, a two-bit talent who makes arty films, which in any case no one would see, so it’s a good thing his films haven’t released!’ Today he is making his film, which god willing will reap in lots of money and accolades, today he has John Abraham in his film, who is now in the A list, creating an amour for our talented friend, today Anurag is the flavour of the season. I’m sure Anurag has to stuff his face from laughing out loud or throwing up in disgust at the whole two faced nature of the game. I’m so happy that its payback time for him.
It wasn’t long ago when John was still proving himself, he was cast in Karam, hats off to the man, with complete humility he tells the producer and director of the film that this is a solo film and he hasn’t had a hit yet, so make sure we take a heroine who isn’t new, he was even willing to take a pay cut so that the film would be made the way director Sanjay F Gupta saw it. Today he is reaping the rewards, because in the industry no one forgets. He too was fucked left right and center, called a wooden actor with long air, a no show at the BO, some BO pundits even suggested that he change his name! When his bike accident happened, instead of asking him if he was okay, the media crucified him, though the accident wasn’t even his fault! Today after he has been proving himself we see tongues everywhere!
They hauled Amitabh Bachchan over coals post Mriyudatta, writing his career obituary, but I guess it was nothing new to him, they wrote his career obituary until he gave his first hit. They did the same to Abhishek Bachchan. Today? It’s a whole new story!
Hrithik Roshan was called a one-film wonder like Kumar Gaurav until Koi Mil Gaya happened. Then when Lakshya wasn’t a huge hit they said he could only give a hit with his father! Is there really any question of his credibility as a brilliant actor or performer at the box office?
Today Yash Raj is the biggest conglomerate possible. 15 years ago they asked Yash Chopra to retire when he made the superlative Lamhe. He went beyond the stereotype and they kept hollering until he made a ‘safe’ superhit Chandini, and the rest is history, just imagine if we lived in a world where they would carry him on their shoulders for making a Lamhe? No wonder Aditya Chopra shuns interacting with anyone. His revenge? He made a film that is still running at the box-office, has made Yashraj the biggest player in the market and now he is making Kabul Express. I pray with every fucking pore of my body that it works, so that Yashraj which has the capability to make 10 Kabul Expresses a year continues to do so. We will finally be able to see the kind of range our filmmakers possess. Industry legend goes that it was Aditya Chopra’s idea of turning the wheels of change and giving us Hindi cinemas first psycho lover with SRK in Darr.
Karan Johar tries something different, everyone comes out and crucifies him, I’m not even defending KANK, but the kind of jabs he gets are outright hilarious ‘People watch your films, you should be more responsible!’. I mean for fucks sake, KANK doesn’t tell people to go out and have affairs!
Vishal Bharadwaj makes Omkara a film that makes me HATE HIM, makes me so insanely jealous of his brilliance that I wanna kill him for making such a marvellous poetic work of art. But what I hate more is when a bunch of industry guys instead of laying out the red carpet for him tell him faults in his screenplay that too in a public forum!
Right now everyone is pissing on RamGopal Varma because he has been giving flops as a producer and made a bad Shiva! The same RGV has made Rangeela, Shiva, Satya, Company, Money Money, Kshna Kshnam, Raat and produced Shool, My wifes murder, Main Madhuri Dixt.., Ek Haseena Thi, D, Love Ke Liye, Ab Tak Chappan etc. He has given has technicians like Shriram Raghavan, Shimin Amin, Anurag Kayshab, Saurabh Shukla, Hemant Chaturvedi, Sandeep Chowta, Chandan Arora, Jaideep Sahni, Aftab Shivdasani, Vivek Oberoi,Koena Mitra, he resurrected Fardeen, gave a new image to Saif, made Urmila, got back Isha Koppiker discovered Vijay Raaz and Rajpal Yadav and numerable new talents as technicians and actors. He created a cinematic language we draw upon. But today he is down, so fuck him, fuck him good!
I&B Ministry says don’t show smoking on screen as people are drawn to smoking because of films! Wake up dude! People have been smoking for hundreds of years, filmmaking is just 125 years old! But hey fuck a guy who can’t hit back.
A lady professor in St Xavier’s took out a PIL against HBO and Star movies saying they are showing A rated movies. Her rationale, children will get spoilt. Last 4 months Bombay doesn’t have those two movie channels.
I have a question. ARE THESE CHILDRENS ORPHANS? Or their parents don’t have any control on them? Secondly, HOW does watching an adult film spoil a child? Do kids go out and kill rape loot and plunder watching an adult film?
But because films are an easy target so fuck a man when he is down!
I made Ek Khiladi Ek Haseena that didn’t work at the box-office, so fuck me every chance you get, make every snide comment you can make, and do everything to break my spirit.
Just because a man is down doesn’t justify screwing him over again and again while you wait for him to get up to laugh in your face while you get busy licking his ass.
Because scars remain.
Anurag carries the burden of a screwed up liver! I’m lucky to only have lost my hair! Everyone in this profession carries their scars. We watch a film like Lage Raho Munnabhai, maybe we should take a lesson from it.
Just getting a film made in the FIRST PLACE is like an impossible battle, the judgment is instant, whether you are a victor or a loser, but remember no one sets out to make a bad film. If one day you don’t like the food you don’t kill the cook.
In other professions we work hard, get a bonus at the end of the year, maybe a promotion and a job safety unless we choose to leave it or get really crappy at work.
As a filmmaker we work in an office made of glass, but don’t make our failures a public orgy.
Quote for the day: ‘It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.’ – Theodore Roosevelt
Anurag Kashyap
Abhay Deol
Dibakar Banerjee
Hansal Mehta
Khalid Mohamed
Kundan Shah
Anish Kuruvilla
Jaideep Verma
Manish Gupta
Navdeep Singh
Bhavani Iyer
D. Santosh
Onir
Ashvin Kumar
Ramu Ramanathan
Sudhir Mishra
Pankaj Advani
Revathy
Saurabh Shukla
Shilpa Shukla
Sujoy Ghosh
Suparn Verma
Santosh Sivan
Shashank Ghosh
Shivajee
Pavan Kaul
Partho Sen-Gupta
Prroshant Naryannan
Sam Langoria
Satish Kasetty
Supran!
Post of the Month!!!!!:)
Fire is ozing out of the words. I second every thought you wrote.
Only one point because “film” demands attention from public so thatmay be the reason that films are criticized in public. India is facing a transition phase. Public sing praises of Sachin when he hits a century but in third match public become ready to shout against him if he does not deliver. Public is crying foul for politicians also. Public is becoming more and more demanding.
Its now up to individual how far one wish to take this pressure.
Great post ! Thanks for this post
Suparn!
Hope to get soon, sequel of this Basic Instinct!
RK, Which is my point buddy, you put people on unrealistic pedestals and then drag them down like their are puppets. a politician is elected by us so when he fails to deliver I say strip him and flog him. but artists and sportsmen are fighting with themselves to excel in anycase, and die a 1000 deaths when they dont deliver, so why shout at them instead of using a lil used emotion called love and being there for them, supporting them. gandhigiri goes a long way
what a post..got your sms while i was reading it..i wish i wrote it..yeah they do fuck you when you are down..i have been fucked so long that my favourite position now is woman on top..its fun sometimes to be down..watching them all up there fearing vertigo..great post..have been feeling a lot i have to say about what Mid-day wrote ..instead i got to say it to its editor directly..will post soon..off to airport for shoot..manjeet are you coming?
The post was awesome. The angst – is pure and raw and ..it shows. I must admit,Suparn, that this is true in every profession – people put you on the pedastal the moment you give a hit and then the swords are out – seeking and waiting to see you fall. And heaven help you if you fail…as you rightly said, you are crucified. Its as if people get this sadistic pleasure in seeing you fail. Irrelevent people with mypopic vision actually have the balls to question a product that comes after months or years of sheer hardwork and determination and pure, unbridled passion for one’s field.
I would like to remind everyone of a scene from Ridley Scott’s gladiator – when maximus is cleaving open the wound on his shoulder. A painful task but one that is essential to keep reminding him of what he has been through.
Suparn, Anurag and to the rest of the readers of PFC – this is a heartfelt comment – Never forget what you have endured and never forget the moments of hopelessness and despair – and also – never forget or forgive those who have crucified you – when the world kisses your feet, those moments will remind you of the true face of life. Let your despair and the hurt and the pain be the fodder for your dreams.
- ^:)^ I am speechless… FUCK MAN – I WANT TO SEE THIS INTENSITY IN YOUR STORIES…!!!!!!!!!! Speechless…
Some of the PFC members who are dissin’ RGV should read this carefully :-” (take it lightly!)
- Anurag’s comment – “… i have been fucked so long that my favourite position now is woman on top…” =)) I actually spilled coffee on my keyboard as I read that..
Honhaar Goonda, I have amended my post, while writing it I forgot about my thoughts on RGV have added them
Super..Suparn!
We live in a world where it is ‘natural’ to laugh when we see someone slip and fall…Haven’t ‘we’ heard that laughter and applause only too often..
Carry on falling as long as we keep rising!
Cheers
Supran
The truth is “jo jeeta wahi shikandar” thats the rule of the game. But Glad you have the fire as RK said. Let the fire translate into good stories and get everybody to shut up.
All the best and that was a wonderful post. Felt the anger!
-Punds
thanks for that. it was not target at you, though. i just wanted people who were making some comments on RGV, to read your article carefully cos you have made very good points!
anyway, i would be the first one to admit that i have affronted everyone you have mentioned but RGV. but the difference is I have never had any respect for them or appreciated their work. Is that wrong?
people have told me that you should respect all them cos they have put some hard work into it – but I always say what about the people who have worked hard at making good innovative films but they are not seen or heard anyhwere?
ooooooops, i meant to say apart from RGV, Anurag Kashyap, and Vishal Bhardwaj…
hardcore!
good or bad, i’m gonna watch a ramu movie in a theater first day first show if possible. even for a film like ‘james’ the theater here in washington was playing it, but when i went there on a wednesday evening with 3 other friends, the people at the theater told me that they didn’t have any public for the screening, and they can only have a screening if there’s at least 10 people. for the next half an hour, i kept trying to call up friends just so i could get 10 people and we could watch this movie at the theater. didn’t happen. but that’s just to show the extent of my appreciation for ramu’s movies. i didn’t know who mohit or nisha were at the time, and i didn’t care. i knew that if ramu picked them, there must be something about them.. unfortunately, i still don’t see it…
i know ramu’s off his track now, but i’m just waiting for the day when he makes a comeback and shuts people up. honestly don’t know if sholay will be it though..
i’ve only heard about anurag’s work.. haven’t been fortunate enough to see it yet (missed his visit to washDC), but have seen bits ‘n pieces of it online somewhere and needless to say, i’m looking forward to it.
good post suparn. do you have a next film in the pipeline yourself? must admit i was a fan of the technical sides of EKEH more than its story. the way it was shot, its sleekness, stylishness etc all stood out for me more than the story itself. actually, the songs are worth a mention too.. oh, and thank you for taking kay kay! =D>
Suparn, your post reminds of me of Mel Brookes “History of the world” In the movie he had rightly showed that critics were born b4 appreciators.
Remember the very early scene in which a caveman draws a nice caricature on the cave and in comes the critics.
He pick ups the caves-uit & pisses all over the painting. The painter can only watch piss coming out of critics dick.
Lot of irony in that but 100% truth in it.
OMG!!! Suparn..Brilliant…damn the angst…Suparn..what did you have for breakfast? Lol!!! Absolutely brilliant and “dil se” article.
My question…Should one not criticize the movie maker if the movie is bad? So, what exactly is the difference between criticizing and “fucking him up” royally? I can totally understand your point here of double standards…but, where do you see the road end for criticizing and the next begin for Crucifying?
Wonderful Post!!!
Well this has been a part of the culture of our country “Fuck ‘em when they are down”. Its been happening from centuries and this what is told to us in the history of this country. If one tries to change it…he gets fucked more often than scheduled.
But fortunately we have people around who are fighting back, with the armor they own, dont require help from anyone….
Keep going Suparn….
“Gunny” bag, not gunni bag!!
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Suparn,came here a bit late,as the blogline subscription is not getting upated with new PFC posts.Hats off sir,this was sheer brilliance & as somebody said earlier The Best Post of the Month.
Waiting for more stuffs like this.
umm.. you’re kidding right? in this lengthy, from-the-heart post.. all you could come out with was a freakin TYPO?!? :-b
some people never cease to amaze…
Vulturo :-? are u the same mid day journalist who wrote the article:d
There is a saying,”Gir te hain Ghod sawar maidane-jung mein. Jo ghutne ke bal chal te hain, woh kya khak ladte hain!”. [Guys the english translation wont sound good:) ]
Sucess is again a relative thing. How do you define it? For me making a film in once lifetime is nothing short of sucess. Do these people know, what it takes to make a film? How passionate the film makers are? Its easy to do 8 to 5 job and comment on the commercial sucess or failures. Film makers have to sacrifice so many things in life, remain tightly focused, fight against all the odds in making a film. There are even more number of people, who can not even acheive the distinction of making a film. Yet they try! I would even term them as succesful. Atleast they have guts to take on life!
what the fuck1 it was a great read but that’s the case with the majority in this industry but a few brave men & women will strive to feed indian cinema the very best and that is what counts in the end…
Suparn,
Great points made (with a great dash of brutal directness too) =d>
I’ve been recommending Chhal at every given opportunity, but it also saddens me to see how few people have seen it or heard of it. On the flip side, I’ve been guilty of slamming films — I remember your kind note on my long post trashing EKEH; a very humbling and enlightening moment. I hope your enthusiasm to make films never wanes come what may.
>-
Hopefully, a forum like PFC offers an outlet for filmmakers like you to share ideas and experiences and for people like us to understand more about the filmmaking process (something that’s so accessible in places like the USA but not as much in India).
Superb Article..Suparn…
Suparn:H.G:
Re RGV: After adoring his cinematic brilliance in Shiva, Rangila, Satya, Company, Raat ( D, sarkar, Naach in patches) and his other products like EHT,AT56 etc I have observed that he shows no mercy while discussing other’s work or kind of cinema.
Any interview and he would strip down Karan Joahr and his kind of films. Why? Karan is making his kinds of films as RGV is making.
Perhaps one has to be very carefull while dealing the case of RGV. His attitude” take it or f**k off” is responsible for his own criticism to some extent. Its less to do with his cinema.
Moreover few people(including me) who loved his cinema cant praise his third class present cinema because its done by RGV. If he gets praise for his low standard work then it will be unjustice to his kind of talent. Though he is kind of person who dont get affected by praise or crticism. But when a person goes in multiplex after spending 150 Rs under the impression that this is great RGV’s product and find there chalu product like new shiva, james, darna mana hai ya jaruri hai, Vastu shastra etc then his anger is justified. People have adored RGV and cant see him degrading. They are waiting for the film where he shows his magic again. Till its matter between his fans and him I think matter is justified. We feel anger because we liked him to high level.
How people can show mercy to cinema of Khalid Mohammad (Fiza, Silsilay) when years he raped films, stars in his weekly column in TOI and that too with biased approach. Come on Jacky Shrof was not mere carbon copy of Dev Anand and neither he was like a stick in his first two films. Give atleast 2 chances to a new comer and then start attacking them. While on sick bed Jacky will be better actor than Khalid Mohammad (if he ever tries to do acting).
Another player in criticising cinema in India is Naseeruddin Shah( with all due respect to him and being great admirere of his acting talents). Years he shouted that what kind of films our directors are making. I give him benefit of doubt that given his powerhouse of talent he did not get kinds of challenging roles he was aspiring for, but in the same Industry Amitabh Bachchan has been doing different roles with happiness, Om Puri has been doing. Paresh Rawal is seen in different roles. And then Naseer saab made yun hota to kaisa hota. Is this that quality film for which he was always shouting from roof top. But its his very first directorial venture so we should not crticise him. He also deserve atleast second directorial chance.
But one factor is always there that when one crticises others continuously then s/he should be ready for same crticism from others.
Guess everybody loves being a critic .. coz it makes him feel superior !!
“People who love u one day can tear u down the next !! ” – Kaagaz key phool
Gues that’s why Guru Dutt committed suicide … he couldnt handle the failure … the criticism …
Wonderful post Suparn
KK: do you believe in this story that Guru datt committed suicide because of failure of KKPhool? It was made and relased in 1959 and he died in 1964 and between that period he produced two profitable films Chohadvain ka chand, Sahib Biwi aur Ghulam (he directed later but did not put his name as main director) and he acted in atleast 6-7 films and most of them were successful films on box office. His son’s book, his wife’s account and his friends accounts dont confirm these things that he committed suicide. He was going to meet Geeta Datt his wife next day when he was found dead. He might have felt depressed when KKPhool was flopped but he himself admitted about some lackings in the film in those days interviews. This is later days facts that we consider this film as classic like many other films which were flopped at BO in first screening.
His family, and close friends know more than anyoneelse and according to all of them it was an accident of overdose of sleeping pills.
Hey Manjit:
You are right
” Girte hain Shah savar hee maidane jung mein wo kya ladenge jo ghutnon ke bal chala karte hain”
do you think all people working in film industry are there because they have love and passion towards Cinema or film making? Various star sone and daughters- are there becasue they love cinema or because this is an easy field to earn more money because thier parents have earn credibility in that field and star sons and daughters can ride over that horse easily. Its very difficult to make same kind of money, fame with that kind of hard work. Like any field very few people should be there who really love cinema and have passion. rest is crowd of common men who by chance are there thats why every film is not great and even Factory of RGV is not able to optimize the process of film making and Factory’s product differ in terms of quality unlike a real factory where we set some parameters and every product comes out have a fix standard of quality.
These all Miss Indias, Miss Universe etc and Models are there in films because they love cinema? or becasue its relatively easy job for them to enter. Do we have more than 25 people in film Industry who will make only film even if they dont have any other means for living?
Various actors who are far better than those getting films have been struggling in theaters in small cities. What do you think?
Is not it like RGV showed in Rangila when Urmila sees that famous actress cant do a simple dance steps and she knows that she can do better than this actress but because she is nobody so she cant express her desire. Farah Khan got her debut in Jo Jeeta wohi sikandar with same story. She was assisting famous dance director and farah was feeling that she could do better than this choreographer and Farah gave us that “Pehla Nasha”.
Moreover who is attacking film makers as Supran is mentioning. Filmi people are doing it with each other. so who is culprit?
Yes he dided due to overdose of sleeping pills .. but what killed hiim was
- his seperation from Geeta dutt
- Waheeda moving out of ‘Guru Dutt’s camp’
- Failure of Kaagaz key phool
He hasnt directed a film after that !!! Although Sahib biwi ghulam, many claim, was ghost directed by him .. epspecially the song picturisations …
U should read that book “Guru Dutt – A life in Cinema”- By Nasreen Munni Kabir
KK:
Guru Datt directed some scenes and songs of Chouhadveen ka chaand. Even he coloured one song
“chouhadveen ka chhand ho” which is the only coloured thing in the entire B&W film.
About S B Aur Ghulam, its said that he directed this film but gave name of Abrar Alvi as director. Abrar was with GuruDatt till 1.30 AM the day Guru Datt died. His death is another mysterious story which prevails about celebrities. His post mortam report does not reach any clear conclusions whether it was heart failure or lethal combination of alcohol and sleeping pills.
Account of his last day does not suggest it was suicide.
Whatever truth is he died and we lost one of the best director of cinema
This is the ‘Omkara’ of PFC.
There is something so honest in rawness, that one cannot but only applaud the writer and his thoughts. Sadly, but this rawness comes only after going through a gamut of ups & downs.
Suparn, an (r)awesome piece!
Suparn,nice post.Great one. But I think its the same scene everywhere. In my profession they say u r as good as your last story. N that good or bad story is of maximum 1.30-2mins.
N lot many times we genrlize lot mny things. Viewing everything in life with the same prism. So,if there were thousands trying to pull down anurag,there were atleast hundrds chering him up…pfc proves that. Isnt it ? N if its the same case with Vishal then i now that there were many like me who wants him to change his name to BARDwaj now.
So,the world isnt that bad ? U must be thinking m just waiting for that gr8 fuck to change my views.
May be, yes. But most probably no.
main zameen pe yun hi nahi udta,
main hawa me yun hi nahi chalta,
duniya ne jo chaha sab kaha,
kuch suna,baki fati jeb me rakh liya.
Kuch socha to dil ne kaha,
main auroon ki tarah ab nahi chahta jeena,
main auroon ki tarah nahi chahta ab marna,
Jeene ka koi fitur na ho,to marne me bhi rakha hai ?
Phoenix:
does your poem take that stand?
“baith jayen hazaron mein to tanha dikhai dein”?
all RGV fans can look forward to his forthcoming films like “nishabd” and “darling”(apart from rgv ke sholay)…both films releasing early next year, rgv will surely come back to form…rgv doesnt make films for critics, money, etc…like we guys at PFC have the passion to talk about cinema, he has the passion to make them! some experiments have failed though, but atleast he has the guts to do something different and offer a new concept for cinema buffs who want to see something new and different! he was the first to bring in short stories in a film concept with darna mana hai and darna zaroori hai…now we have sanjay gupta’s dus kahaniyan, nikhil advani’s salam-e-ishq, etc…i hope RGV continues with his darna series…read somewhere that he will announce one next year titled “darna bekar hai” or “darna mangta hai”…
Salut, sir! Very well written.
Been offline for a few days now and missed all the mayhem. WTF? Some of these mainstream media munims need a moratorium of good health, and Suparn’s article was just that!
I am sure the self-perplexed mid-day bliss-turd who peed ink on the paper is blistered allover now – someone should sentence him as well – a fatwa, perhaps – death by a million paper cuts!
ricky :
RGV is not first to make Hindi film (in world cinema we see such films made so many years before) having multiple short stories.:)
Hrikesh Mukherjee’s directorial debut film “Musafir” made in mid 50s starring Dilip Kumar, Kishor Kumar were having three different short stories.
This is the problem with RGV brand. that we have to see his every film
waiting to get see in his usual form. :x
hi suparn
i dont know if you will read this..but yeah you are right when you say Fuck the man when he is down..the whole world takes pleasure in that. Now Ek khiladi ek haseena was no work of art but once again being a script-writer i know a little bit about the hassles a director goes through converting the writtern word on celluloid, the various factors that hamper of come in between teh directors vision. but man i am sure you will come up with something good and Just like Big B, John and Anurag you too will can proudly say..fuck you World! I did it my way
all da best
cheerz
saiwyn
RK, just wanted to say let the world fuk around. U simply enjoy it without bothering about it. Be there without being part of it.
Phoenixnu:
you mean detached!
Be in the world but not of the world:)
BTW, your poem was good. you must be having full Geet. a nice one for singer someone like Jagjit Singh.
Manjeet, what the man? U got a new shair. As far as I can remember it was supposed to be “Girte hai ghud sawaar maidam-e-jang mein. Woh kya gire jo ghutno ke bal chale”
Tell u what. I like yours as well. Koooool:x
RK: First you need to tell me whoes lines are ‘Gir te hain shah sawar….’
The film industry is so weird, where u will find all kinds of people. The star kids, models etc u talked about r indeed passionate about films at different levels. I had a chance to know Sunny Deol. I found him very honest towards his profession. His first directorial ‘Dilagi’ I think it was did not do well. He loves cinema. But from outside world we get different impression. The model, star kids, etc have to prove themselves every Friday on Box office. They have the most risky career. In order to sustain ur career in films u got to be passionate!I think constructive critism is a must. If a big star/director sheds the ego and pays attention to the critism, tries to find out what is he doing wrong he would regain his lost touch. The same goes for someone as brilliant as RGV. Because of ego clashes big money involved the kind of critism happens to be hitting under the belt.
Muzzy, Isi ko kehte hain improvisation ;)I did not remember the exact wordings and have heard from a friend long time back.
Are yaar yeh shair kiska hai?
Manjeet:
This shér shd belong to some marhoom Shayer:).
I am unfortunate not to know his name. Sorry.
Not only film industry every industry is weird. As far as India is concerned we dont get people working in an area in which they have true fascination and this must be true to Film Industry also. If risk is there then money is relatively very high in comparison to the work. Where you will find such collection in thre days as Nu has written yesterday(Dhoom 2). Money glamour and fame, these three things are biggest attraction for so many people either present in film industry or entertainment field or want to join it. Same kind of fame and money you cant get in any other field. and for star sons and daughters, so many things are relatively easy. For Amitabh Bachchan and Dharmendra it should have been passion to work only in films but same cant be said about Abhishek, Sunny or Bobby. This is also true that they learn something since childhood because they watch their parents but its more like following tradition and less to do with passion. This is different matter that if one has screen presence then an average acting skill can be obtained by practise and improvisation. Thats why few actors can deliver good only when a able director is handling them. Like everybody can write one story or few story but its not necessary he can be a author of passion and in same way anyone can become actor but not necessarily he can become an ace actor and actor with passion. If one plays a game then regular practice and passion can imporove his game to a large extent but this factor is missing in case of majority of actors. As Dev Anand once said ” I wanted to become somebody so I left Lahore and came to bombay”. Without taking names we can see lot of examples who are there because they are familiar to that enviornment. Obviosuly they can do better business there but not necessarily they have pssion for cinema. If passion is there then failure cant stop one e.g.Dev Anand but Kumar Gaurav did not show that passion and did not continue in films. He may not have market value but if he has passion he will make films. Films are not only acting. Suneil Anand is failed as an actor but he tried to make his own film Master. Few stars sons, daughters may find it easy to join this business. Why this does not happen in film Industry that Star Sons and Daughters are fighting with their parents that they dont want to join film industry as we see in every other filed where children fight with parents that they dont want to continue their profession? Today SRK says that film Industry is risky and he says perhaps his son will do something else, but I am sure like any other star sons if he is not extra ordinary in any other field he will join film indistry like several star sons have done in past. To be a politician and actor/director you dont have to get high degree education. a high school pass actor can be as good as post graduate. A person gain wt to prepare for IIT JEE, later he again sits on chair for atleast 6 months to crack IIM CAT, he gets job but he is not popular, he is also in cue to watch a film or to get autograph of a star and so this glamour attracts.
Incidently we dont find such attraction of glamourous life in developed part of europe because they dont have centralized film industry, and life there has reached to a certain standard and everybody is enjoying that standard level of living so they enjoy what they like to do. But in India a small kid is dancing after watchinh boogey woogey because he thinks this is something which will make him important in future.Children’s grasping power is minute and they watch that their parents are just fascinated by stars so they want to become one. There is huge gap in standard of living here in India.
Entertainment industry is huge these days and TV has added lot of man power consumption in this area and this is reason that now this is like any other professsion where one can earn bread and butter and as pasion is limited to very few in any field, its limited to very few people in film industry also. Yes as they are in industry they have to make film because thats their bread and butter so show goes on and on.
RK dude, your message deserves a new post!
Manjeet:
If we look in Hollywood we can count Star sons and Star daughters on fingers. Do Hollywood actors are less in talent that their children dont follow their parents profession? Its not necessary that Dustin Hoffman’s son will become a hero in films. He can be associated with films if he enjoys this filed but chances are high that he will be doing which he likes more. We have so large gap in riches and poor and those who have and those who have not that everybody is hanekring after money, fame and power and money also bring power, fame also bring power (as power can bring both of them)- its like Gulzar saab’s ek lo ek muft pao. We have immitators in our sciety and here we know the attractive destinations only because that make us something important. Why this much crowd in TV competitive shows? more than 2/3rd of crowd is there because of the perks associated with show business. Success, if one can get, is fast paced here and overnight one can be famous and rich. This factor is a big alluration.
Tushar: ya u r right this is a topic need to be addressed separately in a full post.:d
go ahead sirji!
waise bhi aap to PFC ke undisputed champion ho
Tushar:
Champion? on PFC? If there is any championship then we have only one champion of Champions here OZ.
Hey are u watching WWF or great Indian laghter challenge or sa re ga ma etc etc?
Well wish you a nice filmi weekened.
C U on 27th November. almost same time.
no man, m sittin in office in a trainin session(checking PFC of course
)
gotta attend a noir-fest over weekend. it includes le samourai, big lebowski, kiss kiss bang bang & the third man. so should be postin somethin on it soon…
wish u a cool smashin rockin weekend too…
btw, aap bharat mein kahaan paaye jaate hain?!
RK, exactly that. Otherwise one will die…kuch to log kahenge. N thnx for the compliment. No, its not full geet. Just few lines that I was thinking.
hi saiwyn,
Yes I do read comments:)
and btw thats my second fave song
stand by me is the most fave
hi suparn
glad to hear from you…dont worry with your next hit you can Make radioheads song Karma Police ur number one track. and tell the world.. This is what you get, if you mess with us…lol
cheerz
saiwyn
you will not be fucked because your ek khiladi ek hasina flopped but because you copied CONfidence left, right and centre in ek khiladi… all the people you talk about there in your post, from barjatya to rgv, have some cinematic originality… but you are yet to prove that suparn… so go back on your word file and create something which you can be proud of first and not have someone like me cursing you after watching the original DVD…
Suparn, will u reply to Priyanka ???? Waiting desperately….
Hi Priyanka, I agree I copied Confidence along with a bunch of other movies too. But when you speak of cinematic ‘originality’ it includes a whole different gamut. The way I visualized my actors, their characters, the look and feel of the film, was different from the ‘inspired’ script. And as a writer I have already written Chhal, Karam, Zameen, which dont have an iota of inspiration and as for being proud, Im proud of EKEH, good bad or ugly its my baby
But wasn’t chhal a lot like Donnie Brasco and the plotline of Karam like Kill Bill (with animation and all)?
Chaitanya, Chhal didnt have anything to do with Donnie Brasco or any other film as I had a free hand in the film, as for Karam, the animation sequence as the directors was of telling the flashback, it has NUTHING to do with the story of kill bill which is a revenge drama, and Karam which is about a guy wanting to quit and then dying trying to get out
As for Karam and its similarities to Kill Bill, I think thats more a matter of directorial style rather than writing itself. I may be wrong here. The story had nothing to do with Kill Bill, which itself didnt really have a story per say. It was a character driven piece.
Chhal is a film i really liked, although throughout the film, it always felt like a combo of Donnie Brasco and Droh Kaal. The plot was clearly reminiscent of Donnie Brasco (i.e. Cop infiltrating the underworld, then developing a friendship with a gangster who then becomes dispensible – Just like the Johnny Depp-Al Pacino relationship in DB). Certain character nuances like the relationship between Kay Kay and his supervisor reminded me of Droh Kaal.
hi suparn..where you working on rgv’s company before jaideep came on board? have you approached him with a story titled “boss”?
Hi Suparn
while you guys are discussing Chhal, hope you read an article where we discussed it immensely:
http://passionforcinema.com/have-you-seen-chhal/
Suparn, having been a journo you should know even if there’s a hint of copy-paste you are bound to be fucked man! you copied even the cons… look at bluffmaster! it treaded the same path… took off from matchstick men but emerged so strong due to the characterisation… and once you have become a director you will always be judged on the basis of that rather than your writing skills… QT may be a better writer than a director but ever since he made reservoir dogs we call him a filmmkaer…
Ricky, I was working on my draft of sarkar and a horror film and a film on the run for ramu, which once i saw the film (sarkar) was very different from the eventual film, but the whole experience was like going to school
Priyanka, Bluffmaster didn’t take off on Matchstick men it took off on the Argentinian film Nine queens later remade in hollywood as Criminal, QT’s reservoir dogs story was taken from city on fire. And from day 1 I have said ekeh is inspired by many con films, confidence is just one of them:)
Suparn/Sangeeta,
Wasn’t the lottery sequence in Bluffmaster lifted from Matchstick Men? Another big influence on the film seems to have been The Game (at least as far as the ending was concerned).
*bleep*
Priyanka, sorry for using the “Sangeeta” moniker. Many apologies.
it’s okay George i forgive you for thinking about me ;)
George u are correct on both counts
hmmm interesting topic. i think it all comes down to whether society lowers/discourages a man from trying stuff. i feel that it depends more on the person and some might take it as a huge disappointing thing/discouragement while others would take it as an encouragement (altho at the same time, id say that its very difficult to take criticisms encouragingly).i think its perfectly justified to fuck people. what i basically mean is that if 1 has made a bad movie it can/should be criticised. the problem probably rises when instead of the product the maker is criticised/praised (the best example probably “James” getting a 4-star by Nikhat Kazmi on TOI and if i rem correctly comparing the director with Steven Sorderburg/QT).
Another thing is about the sensiblities of the maker/reviewer. every person views a movie with his perspective/sensibilites which i think influences the reviewer and hence “Fight Club”(Ed Norton/Brad Pitt) is hailed as an amazing movie by some and trashed by some and hence probably it is imp to take critisisms seriously only when coming from proper sources.
1 more thing id like to add is that i dont think theres any complete originality as we are all influenced by stuff(other movies/real life incidents etc.) and that shapes our style but then again probably the level of ‘inspiration’ defines ‘originality’.
yes u may be right in ur way but dont forget even critics have their job to do if they dont criticise or praise the film as they do, no one will buy the film magzine its their writing that helps the sale of the magzine. They add all this masala to sale their magzine so that common people gets kick out of it, so its useless to blame people.
Thats how the world treats U. Thats just the part of the game. Continue the good work. I loved ‘Ek Khiladi, Ek Haseena’. I really hope the standard of films in our country raises man. The way our BO baaps deals wid emotions sucks. Hell wid these stupid ppl who knws ass. The youth is changing n ppl r accepting new things. We just need some time. U guys r lucky…tht U r out there making this change happen. Its only few who gets this chance. Keep the good stuff coming dude.
Ek Hasina Thi… ! I love talking about this movie to ppl, and hardly anyone shows any interest.and i pity them. People here dont really know what exactly entertains them. give them ‘Ankur’ to watch and they say its too slow. and give them ‘Dhoom2′ they are yet not happy. I kinda feel good today to write some lines here among you guys here who are really into films.. I have been dreaming about being into films( not as an actor) . Happened to see this blog for the first time. Will continue to live here to see myself smiling.
Existential angst? Keep up the fire, Suparn!
Being a student filmmaker myself, I know exactly how you feel.
But I guess you gotta be a ROCK to be alive and unscarred in this profession.
And the funny part is, all those people who talking about stealing stories and all that have possibly never even made a one-minute film in their lives.
I am not sure whether you are happy with your Qayamat, but I like the way you made a fun narrative out of some diverse sources.
‘Tu socialist kyon banta hai’? I chuckled when I heard that. Never expected such a dialogue in a Hindi masala film.
Rajnikant, I am definitely in favour of ‘Ek Hasina Thi’!
This was one of Urmila’s most convincing and controlled performances… The last time i enjoyed her thoroughly before this was in ‘Bhoot’ and ‘Pyar Tune Kya Kiya’.
Although the story wasn’t new, the direction was interesting and Sreeraam Raghavan showed promise and it is quite sad to see new directors dissapearing into the oblivion when their films dont do well.
Oh, Urmila looked wow in this too!!
Steve – yaar kyon time kharaab kar rahe ho? Na to “Ek hasina thi” sholay thi aur na Urmila haseena hai.
Just saw “shawshank redemption”. Wo.Apne desi filme banane waale sab gadhe hai. period.
Steve – yaar kyon time kharaab kar rahe ho? Na to “Ek hasina thi” sholay thi aur na Urmila haseena hai.
Just saw “shawshank redemption”. WoW! what an awesome movie.Apne desi filme banane waale 99.9% sab gadhe hai. period.
Arre Jwalant, tumne to sab kachraa kardiya!! Urmi really looked gorgeous in this film man, and acted very, very well…
Yes, it’s not a unique story, but there were a few positives in the film yaar…
‘Shawshank…’ is a fantastic movie, deserves all the praise man, and maybe one day…. a hindi director might ‘just’ impress you!!
Did you not see/like ‘Rang de..’ and ‘Omkara’??
Steve – The .1% is for RDB and Omkara. Santoshi, Mehra and RGV are the only 3 people who can provide guarantee of god cinema rest all are over hyped bafoons.
((STANDING OVATION))
Man Suparn I have to hand it to you, you’ve reached down deep into our minds, extracted our deepest frustrations on the flip-flopping, two-faced monster this industry and the media are, and manifested it with precision in this brilliant article.
Famous Punjabi comedian Bhagwant Mann once joked (translated to English) it takes a whole lot of people, a whole lot of, money, energy, committment and so much time to make a film, and yet a person who did nothing for it but spend a few hours watching it for their own entertainment can very easily say “It was ok but it didn’t really do it for me” (”Oh gal nahin bani yaar”)…
What the fuck!
Suparn I’ve commented before that EKEH was a damn slick flick film, very well directed (such an upmarket look on such a tight budget). I’ve got it (and Chhal) on DVD. My only critiscm of the film remains, and I’ll pose it as a question, don’t you feel you needed a stronger actress to play the female lead considering it was a title part?
Steve and Jwalant, I personally loved Ek Hasina Thi… yaar Saif was damn brilliant in the film, it was filled with tension, had such a raw edge to it…and best of all it was different and progressive by Indian film standards.
Teekh hai shayad film pasand nahin aayi hogi aapko Jwalant, but aisa to nahin ke sakte ke kharab yah bakwas thi. Definately not.
Best line in Ek Hasina Thi…
Urmila: “Have a good day”
Saif: “I always do”.
Saif’s cocky delivery was perfect. I wish I could be as smoooth ;)
Tony,
Bipasha Basu had said yes to the role but due to certain reasons she could not be on board the film. Since I had Fardeens dates, we had to find a heroine by that time, we did speak to quiet a few till i finalised Koena
Oh really? That’s unfortunate, because I think, given the title and theme of the film, had there been a female lead who could’ve headlined the film with Fardeen, I’m sure the audiences would’ve come in bigger numbers. Not to rub it in, but Bipasha/Fardeen would’ve rocked in EKEH.
I’ve always rooted for underdog, maverick films and makers. I’m not saying this because I’m communicating with you, but I was genuinely excited by the EKEH promos, theme and especially the ensemble starcast (thought Fardeen was in a role that suited his suave persona, and have always thought Mukul Dev was a talented performer with potential, and of course the amazing Kay Kay Menon).
I genuinely wish the film was a bigger hit. In fact I think the industry needs more medium budget, ensemble cast films to work in order to break away from the star mentality. Be it Dor, Khosla Ka Ghosla, Apna Sapna Money Money or other films which fit into this mould, I think more of them becoming successful is a promising trend. Lets hope it sustains.
This is why I hope you’ve still got the same drive and conviction to make more such films. You’ve got what it takes as a writer (proven that with Chhal, Zameen, Karam) and a director (EKEH) to carve a place for yourself.
Don’t let the type of people you’re talked about in this article bring you down. Your talent will be recognized. It needs to be.
Suparn,
I empathize with the spirit of your post. Although my only contribution to any creative profession has been restricted to paying for the price of the ticket, I do relate to the fact that there’s little encouragement available when you’re struggling with your worst possible demons. That happens in any profession.
However, I cannot offer any sympathies to your own particular situation with Ek Khiladi Ek Hasina. I understand that that was not the point of this post, but if you expect the bystanders to lend a shoulder to you when you’re down, you better provide an honest body of work, not inspired versions of inferior Hollywood movies. EKEH was a copy of Confidence, which in itself wasn’t exactly a piece of art. On the other hand, I thought Chhal was brilliant. So you probably have what it takes, but if you want my vote, please stick to your originality. I mean, from a paisa-vasool spectator’s point of view, I would gladly shell out $10 for Chhal over Confidence, any day.
awesome post buddy. i cant say anything more than has all ready been said about the honesty and the angst, but truly inspiring stuff (pun not intended) makes my want to start writing NOW!!!
Hi
What was it all about by the way? Just an anger problem or some kind of jusfication?Am new to this forum.Try to read an article a day. Its just so good to have an alternative view.And u people really have something to share with the masses. Was little tired of doing stories on Economic Survey and Poll results today, so I opened this site to read a creative mind.
The raw details of individual experiences failed to reach somewhere.I feel like ….. as a reader.Where is the insight man? The system (of any kind) always tries to convert a voice of dissent before assimilitating it.Thats inherent in the system.But u have a powerful instrument in ur hand ….”just defy it”. U know these babus of the Ministries turn a reporter into criminal first and then allow her/him to …… And once s/he is successful by default they try to him as a tool of Govt machinery.Shivani Bhatnagar case is the worst example of that.But some people like Manini and many others do survive and that too with grace.So no point in cursing others.They all are part of some kind of system. Take some time to introspect urself, u will find urself trapped in a different kind of system.Why to increase the concentration of negative vibes in the air?
And originality?????? There is nothing called original in this world.We are not original even biologically.The pattern of universe is like this only.Anything convincing would do…… gentleman.Give us a convincing product, we will buy it.Liked ur ehek in bits and pieces.Liked the attitude of the film. Wht was missing there , no one needs to telll u.Because u know it better.
And critics do count, suparn.Roosevelt cannot be our ideal.He is a person of different genre and time.He was a creative man or say an intellectual in power(but doesnt stand alongside Jafferson and Lincoln ).He belongs to an era when uncle Sam was in the process of making.Great preacher…. great conversationist and wht not ….. But people loved him for entirely different reasons.Dont forget the Panama Canal and Russo-Jerman war.
Anyways, I dont know about film people but people from other medium do need critics to know themselves better.A creative product is always a product of collective effort.Thts why we need them.A critic is the interface between u and ur target audience.Its always a pleasure listening to an honest critic’s take. How boring ur life would be if there is no critic of urs…..If intention is malicious …. i have nothing to say….
A long reply to a long ……… post… hahahaha.Never mind ….. u can edit it according to ur convenience.
Regards
LIFE IS UNFAIR….GET USED TO IT Suparn.
Even though you are right about most of the things you said in your article, I just can’t feel for you man. Because you dissapointed us big time. You sold out. We had high hopes on you. You were one of us. After writing reviews for years one would expect someone to make a little more meaningful/better film. But I’m not you & maybe I would have taken the money too if i were u. The positive way for me to look at your situation is I think You made that film just to get ur foot in the game. Once u r in you will make what u feel passionately about. I’m eagerly waiting for that. You have to payback.
Success & happiness & stuff like that is very relative. Manjeet is bang on about it. For some people just making a film is the biggest success. So u made it Suparn. But its good to know that u are frustrated & dying to fight back. Hope something good comes out next time.
oh yeah , so you were the guy who made ek khiladi ek haseena . So how many capers you watched over the weekends to come up with that script.
Soemtimes failures are for good. perfect time for introspection then cringing.
Sincere efforts always deserve appreciation. Its just whom you expect it from….
It sounded like a big whine to me. You have got to realize that you are fucked because you let yourself be fucked.
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U made yr point,today people say you had made a bullshit movie, tomorrow after your first hit, they say what a creativity, u used in first one, but gawaar indians didn't understood it (for example: Rakesh Mehra "Aks", then "RDB". thats how this world works buddy, one should either accept it or say "Fuck IT", u are doing the second thing. keep it up.
Hey…Views are like assholes ,everyone has one..so why are you complaining about some thing on which you have no control..