Tribute (and a kick) to Oz
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Tribute (and a kick) to Oz
I consider myself a cine-buff, not in a cine-snob way but more in the ways of an average fan who likes and enjoys all sorts of movies. I love Yashraj or Karan Johar films, at the same time also loved RGV and his brilliance in Satya and Company.
I also watch lot of Hollywood movies in a similar manner . I enjoy westerners as much as sc-fi films such as Star Wars series or comic hero movies such as Spiderman. I have also enjoyed a Memento, Mulholland Dr a Blue Velvet and all sorts of weird movies as my wife calls them. I also feast on horror flicks such as The Ring, Omen, Nightmare series etc. Its hard to confess but I have enjoyed romantic comedies such as Sleepless in Seattle and Notting Hill with my wife almost as much her. I also love and admire the entire Godfather series. Anyway, sorry for the long introduction but this post is not about me. Its about the man because of whom, I am writing this piece today.
I dont actually remember how or when I discovered this guy. I think it was around 3-4 years back. Did I tell you all, how simply I devour all sorts of filmy news and gossip and how it has acted like a stress buster for me over the years. I think in one such attempt to find good cine articles on line, I came across some brilliant pieces of writing on Hrishikesh Mukherjee, Gulzar and Sanjeev Kumar connection etc. and I must say I was blown away. Here was this guy on the internet, expressing in brilliant form of writing, simple and easy to understand, yet carry a punch every few words. I just couldnt help but admire his genius, his writing skills and his ability to give expressions to thoughts going through my own mind about these cinema stalwarts that I always felt but couldnt express. I hope this article doesnt turn into Oz sychophancy or Oz worshipping piece. Even great Oz wouldnt like that, but I do want to tell him the kind of impact he has had on readers like me.
I read all kind of stuff but the one strikes me the most is something that I can easily relate to. Something that strikes me as How Simple? and Why didnt I think of that? . Thats why I love Gulzar saab as he is capable of weaving into poem, simple everyday words and emotions that go through my own mind. Oz had similar kind of power on me. I dont intend to compare him to anyone and least to a genius like Gulzar saab, but in own limited way trying explain the impact Ozs writing had on me. To me, Oz represents the best in blogs and writings about Hindi cinema. I can say this because I am a regular reader of Rediff, Sulekha, Screen, Filmfare (when they used to be available online), Khalid Mohammed and even Taran Adarsh. Didnt I tell you I am a movie buff? But to me, Desitrain is the best and classiest form of writing on Hindi movies ( I still find it hard to accept Bollywood) and some of his pieces there are absolute gems. Oz has written some of the best tributes to yesteryears Hindi cinema in a language I absolutely love, with thousand punches in every paragraph, allowing me to relish each article and celebrate those stars, directors, writers and scenes even more, the next time I re-watched those movies the umpteenth time. Some of Ozs best in my mind
- His tribute to Salim-Javed (his words matched the class of their work and especially his comment on Sholay. I have never read a more apt comment to capture the phenomenon that this baap of all Hindi films was, in Ozs language.)
- His write-up on Gulzar-Sanjeev Kumar connection and the cinema they produced (re-affirmed my belief about these two)
- His piece on genius directors that faded away (I never knew Rahul Rawail was so big and Arjun was so important as a film.)
- His review of Rang De Basanti, Khosla ka Ghosla and very recently Namesake. I had almost given up on Oz and Desitrain, after he got busy with PFC and his new software job, but he surprised me with his entry on Namesake absolutely brilliant. How can you be so accurate Mr. Oz? I salute you for your Namesake review.
- His expose on Zinda that made me watch Oldboy and see how Sanjay Gupta missed the whole point ( a term like Bollywood should apply to likes of Mr. Gupta).
- Ozs pieces on Best disco numbers , Best song picturizations etc.
- And this is the best - his anti-reviews and the best of them all Chingari. This is one of the most hilarious pieces ever written about one absolute crap of a movie. Ozs anti-review made me watch this crap and enjoy it exactly for the reasons he laid out in his piece.
I can go on and on, but you got my point. However as I said this isnt an article only about how great Oz is. Oz hasnt been without his failings. Let me recap some of the places where he failed me, his fan and reader.
- Oz failed to notice some of the nice pieces of work Socha na Tha, and Iqbal, being the examples. But then, he wasnt writing to a schedule or to please readers like me. He was writing for himself and when he felt like writing.
- Oz took someone by the name Karthiks help to write pieces about Rajanikanth. But these pieces simply didnt match the standards of Desitrain and didnt quite capture the phenomenon Rajni is, even to a hard core north Indian and distant admirer like me. All apologies to Karthik, but then, not everybody is Oz.
- Finally, Oza pandering to Anurag Kashyap and other self styled cine-snobs on PFC. More on that later.
First I would like to re-count why I believe I relate to Oz so much. I need to state this, because I am not sure if Oz has universal appeal or he appeals to this small cross-section of people that I call, Us. This Us is the generation, that is like Oz is in their mid and late 30s. (I am guessing Ozs age here, dont know him personally). This Usgeneration was too young to enjoy the 70s, grew up in 80s and were witness to the absolute low point in Hindi cinema, matured in 90s and saw the liberalization of the country, the emergence of Khans and Sachin Tendulkar and re-emergence/re-establishment of order in Hindi cinema. Another side point, this Us generation understands the importance of the roles that Narsimha Rao and Manmohan Singh played in Indian politics and it saddens Us the most when we see how the latter is making a mockery of himself in the role of Prime Minister today.
Anyway, this us generation learned about the best in Hindi cinema by watching on video, hits from 70s and 60s. People in this Us generation learned about film reviews and film critics by reading Khaleds reviews in TOI every Sunday. We also watched the emergence of Bombay Times and Page 3, spread of Dawoods terror. Those of us in Bombay, also were witness to the period and events depicted in RGVs Satya and Company.
Oz simply captures likings and disliking of this generation in his writing and combined that with his free form of style and use of words that you can only use on a Blog to create this powerful impact that made me waste a number of my office hours reading him online.
And finally about PFC, Anurag Kashyap and Ozs relationship with him. I know and understand PFC is a good thing and great thing in the opinion of many of you. I also understand the scope is much broader and it tries to cover world cinema and probably caters to a much wider section of readers than Desitrain did. But to me, PFC consumed Oz and Destrain and in Oza language, sucked the juice out of Oza balls, to an extent. Dont get me wrong, PFC started well and is still the best source of information on smaller underdog movies that I wouldnt get anywhere else. But somewhere it got hijacked by cine-snobs and they started bitching about every other type of cinema, other than their own. This is the typical Outside the system mentality that I had long left behind in my late teen years and college days and surprise surprise, Oz also fell into the trap, defending it.
Someone by the name Suparn Verma tried to instill some balance with his one post, that got 100s of rebuttals instead of trying to understand his point. I ask again, whats wrong in enjoying all sorts of cinema. Who can define good cinema? Whats wrong, if I enjoy all SRK-Kajol movies, all Karan Johar movies but absolutely hate some of the movies made by these so called parallel cinema art directors like Shyam Benegal and others? I do like some of the films that these guys made- loved Ankur, Mirch Masala, Drohkaal, Ardha Satya etc. but what gave these people write to make movies like Hari-Bhari, Zubaida and call it art cinema. The only type of good cinema I know of is the well made cinema, irrespective of the genre and thats one fans opinion. To me, these movies from art directors are just as bad as KANK, JBJ, Ta ra, rum Pum and LCMG, representing arrogance of these directors and producers taking their success and audience for granted. But the cine-snobs on PFC kept lynching apart KJ, Yash Chopra and others while, praising even mediocre cinema from other directors. I wanted to shout out Will the real Oz speak up, please?
I see the same problem with some of the next gen writers and directors. I am sorry I didnt enjoy Ek Last Chalis ki last local even though I am a big fan of Abhay Deol and loved his Manorama, Ahista-Ahista and Socha Na Tha. I loved Johny Gaddar and would watch KKC. And a big sorry Mr. Kashyap, I didnt like your No Smoking. Its not like I didnt try, I tried my best but the movie was absolute crap. And remember, I do enjoy weird movies that sometimes I dont fully understand. As I said, I loved, Memento, Blue Velvet, absolutely loved Mulholland Dr, even though till date I cannot explain it to anyone. I could kind of see what you were trying to and admire you for that, but you feel short on so many fronts. The movie didnt seem surreal to me at all. You used too many gimmicks and tricks. Your choice of Paresh Rawal was bad, that guy can never look surreal, he is so real. You should have taken relatively unknown faces and I didnt find any one scene that is complete in it-self and is enjoyable, even if its hard to relate it to the rest of the movie. Thats what I used to find in David Lynch movie, scenes and imagery that convey several meanings at the same time. I hate you Mr. Kashyap, not for trying something new, but for screwing it up so badly. Its the kind of hatred I have reserved for SRK for making Asoka or for SLB for making Saawariya. SRK killed the character of Asoka and didnt leave opportunity for someone else to make an authentic film on this great character, for sometime to come. SLB screwed up the first Hindi film project, sponsored by a Hollywood studio and you screwed up the first Hindi film on Surrealism.
To Ozs, credit, he did try to restore the balance, by writing about, No Smoking, OSO and JWM on Desitrain, getting it on the spot in all cases. His take on OSO was absolutely spot on and first I didnt believe what he said about Amar Akbar Anothony. I always thought it was the only master piece that Manmohan Desai ever made thatll stand the test of time, but as Oz said, I couldnt stand it for more than 10 min after I tried watching it now. I agree wholeheartedly about his comments on Farah Khan and her two movies so far.
Oz was again back to his candid best is his post about No Smoking on Desitrain. So no complains, except I couldnt understand why Oz didnt publish these pieces on PFC. PFC has a much wider audience than Desitrain, I believe. It would have knocked some sense into some of the cine-snobs on PFC. Guys, No cinema is good or bad cinema just because a particular type of director/filmmaker made the movie.
As for Oz, thank you for being yourself and keeping Desitrain alive. I hope you would not let Us down.
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Wise Desi Bhai
Much needed !
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Wise Desi…agreed on almost all the points.
Even i love all kind of cinema from Hrishida. Gulzar to Rajkumar Santoshi to Shayam Benegal, Nihlani to Yashraj movies.
i also came to know about PFC & desi train by OZ’s superb article on Mukul Anand (my all time favourite article)…
http://desitrain.blogspot.com/2005/03/who-is-mukul-s-anand-part-1.html &
article on kadar khan
http://desitrain.com/2006/11/30/kader-khan-unsung-and-forgotten/
Lage Raho OZ bhai…
:d:d:d:d:d:d:d
shailesh - Even i love all kind of cinema from Hrishida-
because he was andho main kana raja.
it is just that no body was making anything better than him.
other than that there is nothing to brag about Hrishikesh mukharjee
in pulp fiction there are categories like ‘thriller’ and ‘romance’. hrishikesh mukharjee’s cinema can be called ‘pulp fiction romance’ at the best. nothing deeper than that.
Vishrant… kya baat kar rahe hain sir?…disagree about Hrishida. he was and is one of the best. when hrishida was making films there were another directors who were making superb films like
Gulzaar, Basu Chatterjee- not too much art not too much commercial
Ramesh Sippy, Prakash mehra- hard hitting action dramas
Yash Chopra- romantic as well as action
B.R. chopra- social, thrillers.
Manmohan desai- fully commercial
and lots of other talents like ramesh sehgal, Basu Bhattachrya, asit sen, Rajshri films.
shailesh why ?
disagreeing about Hrishikesh mukharjee is taboo or something ???
gulzar is an empty bullet. he fired once and that’s all. he set a standard, and was finished, since than he is just recycling himself, not reinventing.
mere apne and hu tu tu. based on the same value, people caring about other people.
the name you mentioned above i can repeat watch only two of them ‘prakash mehra’ aur ‘manmohan desai’ . sharabi ki maine ginti chod di kitni bar dekhi hai.
i think 90% of the PFCites would agree that Hrishida was and till date one of the best
never tried to repeat his success on same subject
just see his filmography… he has made films on different subjects and as per my POV most of them can be considered as classics.
different films different subjects…
Namak Haram- social difference.
chupke chupke, golmaal- simple and sobre comedy
Ashirwad, Anand- living spirit
Abhiman- ego clash
For Gulzar…May be he was missing in Hu tu tu but till Machis he has given his best.
i think 90% of the PFCites would agree that Hrishida was and till date one of the best
never tried to repeat his success on same subject
just see his filmography… he has made films on different subjects and as per my POV most of them can be considered as classics.
different films different subjects…
Namak Haram- social difference.
chupke chupke, golmaal- simple and sobre comedy
Ashirwad, Anand- living spirit
Abhiman- ego clash
Budhdha mil gaya- thriller
For Gulzar…May be he was missing in Hu tu tu but till Machis he has given his best.
Wise desi, how many internet forums have you come across where a michael bay movie is defended as vehemently as a david lynch or a terry gilliam movie?
same is true for india and the rest of the world. so relax, and don’t blame pfc for polarized views. there is just no passion or fun in defending a yash chopra movie.
by the way,
oz > chuck norris.
@ WISE DESI
Nice write up, I should say…
U like chopras & johars , no issues its ur problem
Art classic generes nthng matters a good cinema is good cinema And bad is bad. Doesn’t matter fm whrevr it comes…
Ramu hs turned crap/ Mani is dose crap sumtimes…
Chopras produced- Kabul Express (Good Job)
TZP & Lagan frm Amir but he has Mela , Raja Hindstani too…
Wat I wanna say is- I dnt like ur tk on NS. U knw its very close to my mind, my heart , my soul…
Its a brilliant piece f Art. To understand NS , so simply have to OWN it. Make it ur own, interpret it in your own way. Understnd K’s arrogance as ur own.. Take smokin as symbol to sumthin u want or wanted to do in life nd hw u fought fr it!!!
It hs a pessimistic endin wich disaapoints, really does.. bt try undrstndin NS once more, u’ll love it!!!
Waiting fr ur response….
theater is dead. don’t beat the dead horse
it is there only upto the time the current snobs survive
Of course Hrishida was one of the best. I’ll add some more of his movies to the list:
Guddi
Bawarchi
Kisi se na kehna
Rang Birangi
Khoobsurat
Naram Garam
I disagree that he never tried to repeat his success on similar subject (lets say similar spirit instead of similar subject)but how does that matter? He made good movies and he also made different kinds of movies.
@Vishrant
You cannot/have not repeat watched Golmaal! :O
I have watched most of the Hrishida movies mentioned so far, more than once.
Moving on to Gulzar. I assume when you say he fired only once, you are refering to ‘Mere Apne’ but what about Ijaazat, Angoor, Kitaab, Parichay, Maachis?
neerja
if you say so
parichay .. do line ki kahani ko teen ghante ki picture bana di .. tanga dauda rahe hain
To A and A,
on NS. Believe me, I tried and tried a lot. Spend several hours watching it, rewinding it, watching scenes again and again, hoping some scene will hold me. I had great expectations and was looking forward to watch this movie, with all the curiosity, but I was let down. BTW, i loved the cinematography, background music and other technical details, but good technicalities alone, does not good cinema make. In my opinion, anyway.
Thanks for your comments and sorry if I hurt your feelings
I did get the concept you are looking about and negative ending, have no issues with that. I also read AK’s explanation on PFC.
BTW, I just don’t watch KJ and Yash Chopra all the time ( you almost make it sound like a negative
) but also watch Johny G, Manorama and Dil Dosti, and also all David Lynch movies, so you have to believe me when I say it - unlike others, I wasn’t biased before sitting down to watch NS.But sorry, it didn’t work for me.
TO WISEDESI,
You like Chopras nd KJ no issues. Even M a fan of CHOPRA bt CHOPRA till DDLJ nthng aftr dat..
Bardjatiya’s they made - Pratighat, Nadiya K Paar nd strt shitting aftr dat
If u say u hrt me by ur comments on No Smoking, u r right m hrt.. This is the best f Hindi Cinema fr me.. Bt I dnt tk offenc frm ur comments.. Each man to its own!!! U dnt like it u’ve rights to say!!! Bt say it with reasons. Thr has to b reasons fr each likin nd dislikin!!! My Reasons fr likin NS r:
1.) I’m K!!! I’ve his arrogance. I liked his guts fr smokin newhr evry whr jst coz he wanted to smoke. I’ve same passions fr things I like to do. I own the movie as ma own. I could nvr feel nethng as close to ma heart.
2.) I liked it fr Annie nd Anjali bein same. All women r same atleast 99.99% r. Same book wid diffrnt covr, This is ma interpretation of Ayesha’s double role.
3.) I liked NS coz the way people try stp smokin fr K. Usin excuses like his brothers Health. If u wanna do thngs ur way, in a diffrnt btr way wich u cn think of. Or to b more general if u fight fr ne thing wich u believe is right, the 1st thing dat stops u frm doin is UR Family!!! U mst hv heard people sayin nd escapin - I cnt do dis , I’ve a family.
4.) I liked it for BABA Bengali. He means - The policy makers, the TOP Bureaucrat, people who think tht they hv the right to judge right nd wrng!!! They cn b ne1 - Cricket Selectors, Censor Board, The GOM.
5.) I liked it fr Abbas Tyrewala. Read this to knw more f Abbas, if u dnt knw him
http://abbas-tyrewala.sulekha.com/blog/post/2001/08/surely-you-re-joking-mr-kashyap.htm
He is da most talented nd best writer. Nd he is the one who wrote OSO nd Main Hoon Na.
6.) And yes sumthng we agree on - I liked it for its cinematography!!!
Tell me if I make ne sense to you!!!
Wil wait fr your response
Dear A just on A,
Thanks for educating me on different aspects of NS. I did notice most of these but not all. I did get baba Bengali and Ayesha’s Takia roles, even though I had slightly different interpretation on Ayesha’s role. Mine was, it was K’s (every man’s fantasy) to have a secreatry like his wife and a wife like his secretary.
But still, the film used too many gimmicks ( almost like items every few minutes)to startle me as a viewer and that irritated me. I would have liked the scenes to be a bit slower, bit more surreal and bit more amusing. Or may be it didn’t work for me because i don’t smoke and not particularly arrogant :). Must have visited Baba B. long back that I don’t even remember.
But anyway, if the film is generating this type of discussion, and seem to have built cult followers like you, it hasn’t failed at all.
BTW, thanks for sending me the link to AT’s article. Yes, I am also admire AT, along with Vishal B., Jaydeep S., and others who are leading the movement. I just hope they stay unbiased and critical to the work of their own bretherein just as they are to the mainstream Hindi cinema.:)
Wise Desi
@AjustA
All women are same atleast 99.99% are? that’s your interpretation and you like it for that?
man! you can do with some female company to hang out.
@Vishrant
I am not a big fan of that movie either, but its not bad.
To,
A Desi who is Wise
I dnt know bout AT , I dnt care bout Vishal B nor do I care but Jaydeep S… What matters to me is No Smoking!!! And Wise Desi who could write against it, coz he cudn’t follow it or undrstnd it!!! I dnt believe in Cults, I dnt believe in GODs, I dnt follow or believe in human worship. These things ashame me… If u say m a cult follower fr NS, I wud tk it!!! I asked u fr reasons fr disliking NS. I dnt believe nd talk vague. Give me particular reasons.. Give me scenes , wich made u feel its a SHIT movie, giv me dialogues.. I’ll giv u interpretition… Even then if u dnt lik it… U cn SHIT around with th movie!!! U say PFCites r arrognt, wht cud thr arrogance do… OSO is biggest grocer ever… Whum shud we blame!!! I hope u didnt like OSO & Main hoon na…. Even if u r shiting around with NS, give me solid reasons, I’ll shit around with u… I’ll fuck the movie as u’ve discarded it as SHIT.. But giv me reasons pls, giv me examples… I dnt talk nd believe in vagues…
I respect your write up nd respect u frm dat..
I dnt wnt ne1 like u to SHIT around with NS!!! Thousands & Lakhs r shiting around with NS coz they simply dnt wanna undrstnd it… But I expect u to tlk absolute. And as fr ur arrogance, dnt tk arrogance by th classic dictionary definition f arrogance… Arrogance fr me is stnding fr wat u believe in!!! Stndng at ne cost… If u go by definitions, I’m considered as th mst quiet silent nd tollerant prsn in ma company, in ma circeles!!!
So go deep dwn, dwn fight fr wrds….
Again waiting fr ur response!!!
To Neraja,
Sorry no offence to you nt to womun as whole…
Bt believe cum out see WOMUN all around, all aound me…
99.9%, I used dis term, i neva said all f thm or 100%
99.9% r bloody paresites… Again no offence to u, bt dis is wat dey r nd i feel sorry fr thm dere breeding nd way dey r brought up…
Nthng Personal!!!
A just A:
breeding and brought up dear A just A is also very evident in your generalizations, spellings, grammar, observations and the kind of company you keep :d
so you have had the privilege of knowing 99.9% women [ thank you for spelling it WOMUN though! ] and are apologetic because Neeraja might just belong to the .1% non-parasitic category?
where do you live?
I need a date with you,just a chai by the roadside
no my husband won’t mind.
And of course I’ll pay.
To KAVITA,
WOMUN ws delebrate remembr Little Rasckals nd thr “The HEMAN WOMUN HATERS CLUB”
M nt dyin fr dates wid WOMUN, mind it!!! I usd 99.9% nd dnt knw wehtr u or Neraja r frm the rest .1% r nt. Just apologized coz dnt wnt to get onto useless conversations nd controversies….
Ma speelin is pathetic, bt m typin nd ts da lingo I prefer to cut shrt on time nd concentrate on convictions, idea nd thoughts….
To b frank, I consider WOMUN as lesser mortals. nd they r.. if they wrnt they wudnt hv excepted VIELS jst in name of religion. They wudnt hv allowed female foeticide, they wudnt hv allowed dowry deaths, they wudnt hv allowed Domestic Voilence….
If they allow it nd live with it, they r the lesser mortals… Hw the FUCk cn ne human allow hrself to b covered in a VEIl… All u cn feel fr 99.9% WOMUN is PITTY. And if u cn feel pitty fr sum1 he/she is a lesser human being
@AjustA
Since you said “I dnt talk nd believe in vagues” (whatever that means!), I am assuming this 99.99% (or was it 99.9%?) is very precise, and in that case you should hurry up and publish a research paper as soon as possible.
@Kavita
what do you say? (I don’t mind paying)
haha..I suggest you to drop that date idea, certainly not worth the effort…but wait a minute, I have a better idea, how about me joining you guys, would be fun!
by the way, this guy is a NS fanatic, (try to)read comment no. 17.
and for some reason I can’t stop laughing =))
@ NEERAJA
I hope u didnt read 20 b4 writing 21 Nd if u did . I feel sorry fr u….
If u cn laugh at comment 17, I hv a helluva sympathies fr u.
Just one thing for you,
Get Well soon Mamu
There goes my claim of belonging to the elite category of non-parasitic women…he says he is not sure :(( :((
what a depressing day!
oh no no I was laughing at you.
by the way, thanks for spelling my name correctly this time.
I m joinng you =))
Cut it to N , no1 wud hv a chance to misspell it . I did it fr similar reasons
Neeraja:
I like the idea of you joining us, it will help me understand this generation better :d
AJA:
I bought a Burqa in Dubai two years ago,
to wear in Hyd, couldn’t stand the eve-teasing. And you know what, it helps.
I was free from prying eyes and being commented upon and no one could pass lewd remarks.
I liked being anonymous and wearing the free flowing garb that did not emphasize the size of my breasts and hips,
on the contrary - I could be the Voyeur.
ps: heard of Kemal Ataturk?
But I get your point,
you are wondering why womun
[ i love this spelling ] are so pathetic as to allow such atrocities to happen to them?
just as men are foolish enough to be incited into hatred and war….
Shit happens.
hey can we like organise a PFC meet ?
where we just meet up sit and talk cinema..
this is for the many like me that dont get to meet such wonderfull people like oz
kavita,
I ws here to discuss cinema nd ws on this post to discuss NS. I jst wrote out ma heart nd neva thout wud get into a discussion, completely difernt frm da topic here. But u enlighted me, with ur last post u made evrythng clear to me bout WOMEN. Now, I undrstnd:
1. WOMEN wear burkas to stay away frm Eve Teasng f Bastard Men. To prevent them frm gettin raped.
2. They allow Female Foeticide so tht no new Girl cn tk birth in this shitty man’s world. They wnt to punish Men with adverse sex ratio.
3. They allow Domestic Voilence, coz they dnt wanna fight a Moron who is beating them..
4. Last bt nt least - Thy alow dowry deaths , my small brain cudn’t undrstnd the greatness behind this jesture f women. But m sure it mst b havin good reasons as well , pls dnt try make me undrstnd.
Men are foolish enough to be incited into hatred and war
wise desi: some well researched links you gave there, thanks!
AJA: maaf ker do 99.99% womuns ko, I beg and chill.
vishrant: quote - the name you mentioned above i can repeat watch only two of them
congratulations kavita, you have made it to the elite 0.1%! :)):)):))
@AJA
In case you didn’t know it yet, you are a jerk.
Nobody’s is trying to make you understand anything, at least not me, I give up. Over to Kavita.
@Vivek
would love to be a part of one of those PFC meets.
What’s the deal about women wearing burqas? Its really their choice, ain’t it? Don’t tell me, all of them are forced to wear burqas, for I have met women who feel comfortable wearing burqas when in company of men.
Tomorrow, if the west says that wearing salwar kameez is non-progressive for it covers your body completely and chunari is used to cover the breasts and that is an insult to feminism, you people will start making noises about that?
I remember reading editorials and other stuff about the lal musjid incident in summer. A lot of writers seemed more interested in pointing out that the women inside the musjid were burqa-clad rather than what they were doing there! it was ridiculous.
Well.. I dont know if they are forced to wear a burqa or not, but if this, they are doing of their own free will, then it can get very uncomfortable!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhjnAVnY5ns
To NERAAJA,
THANKS FR CALLIN Me A JERK….
I had similar feelngs frm u jst aftr readng the 1st post….
Give me ur address, I’ll ensure ur neva short of BURKAS. I’ll ensure, u get a new 1 each day
PFC is for CInema, so tlk CINEMA. No personal attacks. Get dis into ur head!!!
@ Neraaja
a few corrections, GOSH my typin is so bad :((
Neraaja wil again screw me on this :((
THANKS FR CALLIN Me A JERK
@Amit
That was hilarious.
I never said that none of them are forced, I just said that I have met women who prefer it that way and for God’s sake stop making up your mind about a woman (or about anyone for that matter) by what she wears.
Somebody once assumed that I am very orthodox and narrow-minded because she noticed me wearing salwar kameez for 3 continuous days! how ridiculous is that?
@AJA
and that, I guess, won’t serve the purpose.
thanks for the offer but I don’t think I’ll feel comfortable in a Burqa. I’ll feel as if everyone is looking at me
You are right, sorry for the personal attack. Next time I’ll try to limit myself to attacking your stupid and outrageous statements.
And yeah, lets talk cinema.
Thanks!!! Keep it to cinema. Hope to hv some healthy discussions wid u in future. My statement is wat I feel. If u feel they r stupid then ts ur point f view!!! I make them coz I knw they r right.
I hope ur nt wondring bout my Sunsign
Wearin a BURKA, Wearing a BIKNI, wearing a Salwar Kameez nthng is wrng.. nd I dnt judge people by wat they wear coz, m the wrst dresses Male. So, I cn undrstnd the unimportance of clothes. But wearng it out f a religous belief or wearng it coz sum1 forces it to you, is like condeming ur own existence..
U jst took on me using 1 f ma 4 points. I wud like u to tk on rest 3…
A HUGE troll cap, a QUICK visit to grammar school and lots of counselling advice is just what the pstchologist ordered for AJA. He doesn’t really seem to understand NS, women, or even himself for that matter. ‘Nuff said. Ho-ho…Merry christmas, children!
wel said Santa!!! May b m nt tht intellignt s u
m nt here fr ne more fights!!!
i neva thout f meetin such enlightend people at PFC
Xmas is ova nw so, Happy Nw Yr.
ho ho ho
Delightful- what a sane, restrained and pleasant response from you, dear AJA! Seems the magic dust I sprinkled on you has already worked! God bless, dear…and Happy New Year.
Please enlight me with your undrstn of NS. Be Rational, if u cn…
“Please use a language which we can read.Thanks-Editors.”
lets stop arguing meet up talk cinema and have tea and ciggaretes ^_^
whose in ?
SOmeone said Ciggerates , M in M in!!!
kahan ana hai kab ana hai
No replies…
M i dat bad :((
I expected one frm a Desi who is Wise
Such a pointless and stupid article ! Wondered why write such stuff but was silenced by the readership and comment traffic. Maybe PFC is just a platform for bored 9 to 5 jobbers to indulge in a little pseudo-intellectual warm-up on tea-breaks provided by their employers. Hardly see any serious professionals !
Well that was an interesting little mini discussion between the main discussion. I was going to go out on that date with Kavita,Neeraja and AjustA, but I am a Gay man so I don’t know where that would have headed and Kavita knows I’m still trying to work out my damn schedule at Blockbuster so I can go to the movies with her! I’ll take the Burka Neeraja if you don’t want it.
…but, back to the topic. Really enjoyed the article Wise Desi and I’m not afraid to admit I love Yashraj and Karan Joher either, but am really surprised you didn’t like NS. It was the first movie I ever saw that could be interpreted many different ways and I loved the cinematography….
@ NoVaDJ
THNKS!!!
Main bhi GAY hota kass :X
@ oz & wb - I’m back. Hook me up.
Congrats..PFC people (Oz, his blog colleagues, the movie land bloggers, the fanatics, the fence minders and the strugglers!!)…it is no small feat that within 1 year of its inception PFC has been nominated as the best blog out of India or rather “Indian in nature”..Oz, they even told us your name(that was a first in my knowledge) and I actually preen at the fact that I have been a part (however miniscule) of this ongoing revolution.
Guys, y’ll have made a difference to the industry and its creativity, whether you know of it or not. Things can only get better from here. I see that. Factors that I see:
1. Producers are looking to make better subjects, at least discuss it in various forums.
2. The whole fraternity reads the posts and comments and discuss them behind closed doors.
3. Writers are starting to pull clout as actors are starting to insist on bound scripts. Dunno if this due to PFC, but a contribution is surely there.
4. Indie movies are being talked about more and more. The finance is not very far away.
5. Pathbreaking posts by Subrat, Dabba, HG, AK, Onir, Bhavani, KKK, Sudhir bhai, Prrosshant and above all Oz, Phoenixnu, t!, wb and others have been lapped up by a whole lot of people..check the number of hits!!!!
6. The discussion ambit is just mind boggling - Technique, story, thought, screenplay, writing, making process, opinions, critiques, rants, work atmospheres, bash ups, lick ups, philosophies, social agendas and even Moditva effect (just recently)
It is giving birth to a lot of dreams. It is showing the path to a lot of young/old film devotees here.
Most of all, it is educating us on cinema. Imagine, after I read Dabba’s piece on “Sit n Talk”, I rewrote a chapter in my manuscript in a wholly different manner (thanks, dabba)..I used to write in a long and spindly manner..am now trying to make crisp and short but meaningful sentences that crackle!..all due to this forum here (Yes, I call this a forum now)..so what if it turns violent and extremist sometimes!!
Bravo Oz! Bravo PFC!!
@ 48 Indraneel -
You are welcome. Hope your script is better for it.