Wake Up Sid: Bombay to Mumbai : A matter of Love
There are two love stories that progress in the Wake Up Sid. And these two love stories can not be given any first and second order ranking as they both happen simultaneously.
When an outsider Aisha (Konkana Sen) comes to the city then it is Bombay for her and like this city Sid (Ranbir Kapoor) is also a stranger but Sid (a born Bombay walla who now lives in Mumbai) makes her initial days comfortable in the city and slowly she starts accepting Bombay as Mumbai and Sid as an important person in her life.
By the end of the film she is in love with both, Sid as well as the city.
There are some Lochas here and there in the film but overall Ayan has made an impressive debut as a director.
It is quite justified not to mention much about Konkana Sen’s performance because she has made it a habit to deliver very good performances and a film will make a news if she acts badly in that film.
An actor may take many years before he is flourished completely. Wake Up Sid puts Ranbir Kapoor on right track of creating a flourishing acting career. WUS should give him a confidence and self respect that he is in right business and someday he may join the league of the illustrious film careers of his great grandfather, grandfathers and father.
WUS helps Rahul Khanna also to act again in a good manner else he has been destroying his acting career in hindi films by doing bad films and playing his roles in such a casual manner that it does not seem that he can carry the legacy of an actor of the stature of Vinod Khanna. His is a small role but he plays it in a charming and competent manner.
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(A note : Post contains some detailed descriptions and further reading may not suit those who have not seen the film and who object on knowing anything about the film belonging to any genre and those who don’t want to read a lengthy piece.)
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Konkana plays a 27 years old Aisha in the film and she is few years older than Sid. She is senior to Ranbir in film profession also. Ayan has utilized very well this difference in the plot to the benefit of his film.
In most of the intense scenes between Aisha and Sid, being elder Aisha is able to catch the right message of a moment earlier than Sid as he has little or no idea at that moment what is happening between them or in their relationship.
In all such scenes camera continuously catches emotions of Aisha (Konkana) because she is passing through the constantly changing emotions associated with her relationship with Sid and Sid is simply surrendering to the situations. Being a very good actress Konkana gives what Director needed to progress the love story in his film.
Keeping focus on emotions and expressions of Konkana in intense scenes was a wise approach.
Life gives maturity to a person by carrying him through struggle, conflicts and difficult situations. Life brings difficulties but slowly prepares a man to face the things. Like mathematics practice of facing the difficulties makes a man more strong and capable and then small things don’t bother him much. Situations may not change but man learns how to face them and he learns how to live among and in spite of all the difficulties.
A good film also emerges out of a conflicting plot. There has to be some kind of friction in the plot.
WUS becomes almost a debut performance for Ranbir Kapoor. He has worked in 2 films before but they were like net practice before entering the field to play a real match. They were like Riyaz followed by an artists before facing the audience on the stage.
A fellow student of Sid says to him that she dislikes him because she could not get admission in the college in spite of having very good marks because Sid had got the admission for which his father might have called just here and there. He got it so easily and all the factors that she was far better and intelligent student than Sid were over looked.
This could be the often repeated story of Hindi film Industry. A very talented outsider has to wait for years to make his/her debut in any film related area but star sons, daughters and relatives get these chances quite easily. They don’t have to prove anything to get this first chance. They don’t need to look at the watchman standing at the gate and rather he will salute them but an outsider newcomer will look at the watchman also with a hope in his/her eyes as if watchman can help them and usher them into the film industry.
Raj Kapoor, son of a star Prithvi Raj Kapoor, had started understanding the filmmaking procedure by becoming a clap boy on the set of a film.
Ayan M. has created this scene in this film and Karan Johar has produced and presented the film so people can keep hope that same clear philosophy will/should be followed at Dharma Productions and if possible at other production houses as well.
Ranbir Kapoor’s performances in the films like Saawariya and Bachna Ae Haseeno remained largely acting practice sessions because his CHARACTERS were not given the souls of conflict which an actor needed.
He was asked to play a super confident and super star kind of struggler in Saawariya and that lacking killed the chances for him to bring any intensity in the performance and everything remained on surface. He was not bad in any of the two films but his case was like he could do better but could not because his characters did not have elements which help a new actor in his growth. His early two films had given him chance just to show some glimpses of what he can do if supported by a suitable role.
His erstwhile roles were quite artificial in nature and time has changed now. Films are not what they were in the past.
If characteristics of a character don’t have conflict then even experienced and very good actors like Anupam Kher can not do much and this superficial performance can be seen in many films where Anupam, Kher had nothing much to do but whenever in a film he gets a little conflict in his character profile he fills the screen with a touching performance.
WUS gives Ranbir an opportunity where he has played a character with which many youngsters can feel associated. Here he represents a large number of youngsters. His pair with Konkana Sen makes an interesting pair on screen. A contrast is there since the stage of casting and this contrast is very helpful in carrying the things ahead in a dramatic manner which is always required in the films.
Aisha opens the door assuming that Sid might have come but instead she finds Sid’s mom there. Finding Supriya Pathak at the door memories of a scene of Shakti became alive. Amitabh Bachchan has left his home after a quarrel with his father Dilip Kumar. Rakhi visits the house of Smita Patil where AB lives. Rakhi meets with AB here and AB explains her that he and Roma are just friends and they live in separate rooms and in between they share this common hall. That scene had a comic as well as a sensitive touch.
Here in WUS this particular scene is capable to create good cinematic moments for a new generation. This scene has been created using a different grammar. Neither Supriya nor Konkana are allowed to stretch any issue and everything goes ahead in an understated manner and when Konkana explains to Supriya that she and Sid are just friends and more than friendship nothing exists between them then film shows a way to the youth.
A clear understanding, a clear thinking is followed there and nothing is followed in an obscure manner there. In a new time, in a new era things can be such also. This scene defines that WUS is a film of entirely new era. It can walk ahead of present day’s youth’s real life and that should be the purpose of cinema. Something is taken from the life and it is presented in such a way that it refines the way of living and way of thinking of the people.
As far as connection with real life is concerned either a film shows in an interesting and attractive manner, what is happening and how it is happening or a film shows what should happen and how it may happen. Some films have mixture of both the things. WUS also is a mixture of both the fashions.
The way Sid becomes nostalgic about his mom, while taking pictures of a boy with his mom and it provokes him to visit his home to meet his mom, it looked good. There again film creates an educative dramatic scenario for youngsters that feelings and traditional emotions can be followed and these things don’t make them LESS COOL.
How things become relative? Aisha finds Sid bit childish in many things and Rahul Khanna says similar thing about her. Such schemes are good in the film .
And few scenes take unpredictable turns. One would not imagine that the scene where Aisha starts shouting at Sid at her home would end up in such a charming and laughing manner.
Love stories can not progress only with the help of rough prose and some poetical touches have to be there in the entire narration.
Sid says to Aisha once that she will enjoy the rains here. She is in a taxi when she feels first few drops of rain on her face.
Sid has gone back to his parent’s home, leaving Aisha alone . She has fulfilled first chapter of her dream of becoming a writer as her very first article has been published in the magazine, but she has no one to share this happiness.
When Sid was living in her apartment then she did not take him as a potential lover and she realized her love towards him bit late while he was ready to leave her apartment. For Sid it was clear that she did not accept him as a matured person but as a boy who still had childish manners. Because of her attitude he also could not get the wings to fly on a journey of love while living with her.
Sid is sitting at the window of his room at his home and he also feels rain drops on his face.
With commotion inside her heart and mind Aisha is standing at the sea shore. It is raining heavily but pouring water is not able to reduce her inside disturbances. Like sea waves her emotions are also moving here and there.
At sea shore, tall buildings are in the distant background, two lovers are embracing each other with a passion as they have just disclosed and accepted love for each other and camera leaves the attraction of covering the lovers lost in each other’s vibrant and warm presence via a close up and it goes away from them fixing both the lovers in the right corner of the frame.
A new age love story is shown in/via Wake Up Sid.
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A very deep down analysis of the movie. Makes us understand scenes better. Thanks.
Cherish,
Thanks
wake up sid mixes stories from Lakshya and Dil Chahta hai
but, no doubt. Ranbee deserves all acclades for such a stunning performance. n Koko… she is always gr8.
@Sujoy,
RK Films had produced “Biwi O Biwi” around 1980-81 and it had a song,
“Sadiyon se dooniyan mein ke hee to kissa hai,
Ek hee to ladkee hai, ek hee to ladka hai,
jab bhee ye mil gaye pyar ho gaya”
But only hindi cinema will be having few thousand films where a love story is born out of the meeting of a boy and a girl but they are different films.
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WUS is quite fresh in comparison to DCH and Lakshya.
WUS has right casting as they belong to that age group which resembles with the characters, so no odd wigs and heavy makeup was required here and actors are used in right manner.
The kind of freshness that was required with such a film is present here.
Dimple in DCH is a woman who has passed her youthful years few years ago and who has seen many phases in her life and she is settled down with her sadness and lonliness. She is not trying to establish her life but passing her time. She is a lamp giving very dim light.
Konkana in WUS could be just a senior of Ranbir when he takes admission in college, if she also lived here in Mumbai. Konkana is just at the begining of her professional life and her personal life also has to get a man.
WUS is quite young in comparison to DCH. DCH had more fun among three friends who all were rich. There was no character there like Konkana’s character here in WUS.
Lakshya was a film which missed the target rather whole battle was fought on the basis of a weak preparation. On paper concept might have looked fantastic but inspite of technical superiority same concept did not end up giving us an attractive film. Amitabh, Om Puri and Hritik, three amazing actors but film does not give a satisfaction.
If it is a matter of directionless young man who gets an aim then one has to see Govind Nihalani’s Vijeta. Vijeta did not have kind of budget and technical support as Lakshya had but Vijeta still was an appealing film. and Kunal Kapoor did not have even half of the acting calibre which Hritik has but there director was able to present some solid material.
Yes you are right RK, Vijeta is a simply amazing movie on the same subject…..
But I still don’t understand why you think Lakshya is not good? Can you please elobrate?
@avn,
Lakshya can be a good film and it can be a good film for many people. As an individual audience it did not appear to me as a good film in over all sense. Yes it was technically competent.
Small things may make a film or they may reduce the overall impact of the film and in this case second phenomenon happened during my viewing.
For me Lakshya missed a chance to be a good film.
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Starting was good. It was interesting to see well crafted scenes. Jokes among army men were not so attractive but even then film was quite good till the scene is changed from army mess to TV studio, where Preity is reading news.
This shifting of focus from Kargil area to TV studio and a glimpse into the life of Preity affected the impact film was trying to make till that stage.
Could this be the scene where Hritik, Sushant Singh see Preity on TV? If yes then film could have maintained more interest for me.
Scenes showing Hritik and Preity’s life in Delhi were real distractors.
Hritik and Preity were given awful get-ups in their Delhi days is one thing and it can be ignored. But did they look belonging to that age group? Just passed out of college?
Boman Irani enters in the film and it is not clear why he is so angry? His son has applied for IMA (CDS)? That is the only reason?
Things looked less appealing.
Hritik tried his best to create intensity in the scenes but in such mis fit scenario even hard work can not save every scene.
Film has two phases of Hritik’s life: Aimless young man and an army officer who has got an aim to achieve victory over a difficult target. These two things dont gel completely. To become an army officer was automatically an indication that aimless young man of past has found a direction in life.
So in reality was it necessary to club two things together? This could have just been worth of a dialogue only said by Hritik that before joining army he was an aimless person and army life gave him a discipline, self respect and strength to focus on the aims of life.
It was advertised that Hritik has increased his weight for his civilian life in the film. Anybody without any exception loses Kgs (fat and weight) while undergoing the army training. Not the shining chubby cheeks but cheekbones are seen on the faces of soldiers taking army training. Hritik was shining execptionally well in the crowd of GCs getting training at IMA.
At Kargil area also when Amitabh sends his unit people to visit the place to know the location of the Pakistani soldiers, it seems as if his unit had more commisioned officers than soldiers.
Many war fims made in hindi cinema in the past may not allow many audiences to digest the occurance of songs sung by soldiers going for a war. In new times new treatment is needed.
High budget and better technical competency may not lure many audiences to watch things seen already in other films dealing with similar scenarios.
Film has good moments also like Om Puri’s scene where he suggests AB about real weapon strength of Pakistanis.
Film had got very good actors and Farhan is technically competent director but like Hritik and Preity got odd get-ups during their delhi days, film also had odd elements and these ill elements stopped it to become a good film.
well of course RK once somebody likes something or dislikes something in a movie, then its not like another person can change their views … time and a few other viewing can, but only personally, but here is my 2 cents on a few things that you felt were not fitting in Lakshya, which I thought couldn’t have been shown better…
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there was no better point to show Priety’s life for a regular audience which watches movies once in a while.. this is where a long movie takes a short break… like so many movies which adds comic tracks for no reason… and Lakshya had this perfectly syncing in, with the heavyiness of the movie not drying away, yet not move into a very heavy duty stuff…
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yes the get ups were horrible… took a lot of attention away from the screenplay, but this section had possibly the root for the whole movie.. similar to WUS… ther eis a lot of undercurrent going on during this whole stage… a guy in Delhi, no aims no qualms… no real passions… and while it moves on it starts showing the shades of the movie which when moves back into the army life builds up on the characters and the waythey have evolved, and suddenly there is a little more life to an army man hero and a news reporter heroine, be it just about her activeness in social activities, or the hero’s extreme casualness in life, or showing up all reasons as to why this guy might be dumped by the girl or his family or for that matter anybody, cuz his complete lack of seriousness in life… who’s grudges are equally genuine but the small ones in life like the disconnect with the father, or getting led into things by friend’s words and then having no idea of how to back out but will definately be dismissed as childishness or worth too much of attention…
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To me the movie does move in 2 phases, but its about the transformation between an aimless casual free life person to somebody who takes it on himself to make the most responsible nature of life… as important as it was army, was ultimately a metaphir for a tough life and then prop for showing up how situations command actions….
to become an army officer in life is not about finding that direction in life still … and thats why there is almost a dual entry into the army … the first time it remains like a job, like something you take up, as job… like so many of us do … just take it up since you landed it… no mention of why or what… however the second time he enters in, its then about trying to find that direction, its then about seeking himself, be it his pride, destiny, or carving his way … its then about self realisation and pushing yourself towards it… the difference between the 2 is as good as the difference between being a local priest, and Gautam Buddha on the path of salvation ….. once attained, Buddha set out for making that difference, thats what happens with the character… to give this away in a dialogue means not making the moivie at all but leaving a newspaper ‘quote for the day’ by Farhan Akhtar…
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is joining the army the only reason for Boman Irani to be angry? Noways, if thats what came across then there was point missed somewhere… its not about joining the army, if that be, then the comment to his wife about how he knew this will happen in the middle and then the pride displayed at the end would ve never been in picture… here is a father who already pretty much irritated and anxious about his son with showing no sense of a ‘responsible’ life… what was even more beautiful is that it didnt even have an Anupam Kher in WUS kinds, who would try to bribe his son to coming to office… he is agitated, and it shows from scene 1…. not as if he wants bad for HR, but losing ihs steam about things…. now to a person whose son one day makes up gas bag reasons like “if you want to be a scientist, be a great one, to be a grass cutter, be the best one” when one fine day he finds an army letter at home, he is obviously going to flare up … for him, his young man has risked something he doesnt even know of.. put his life at stake in a career which demands utmost care responsibility and respect and not just a casual attempt… any parent would be… if their kids show no signs of any care or value for their own life and one fine day get an army letter that they havent even been told about…
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at army, after a point you gain that chubby cheeks actually… unless you are at the lower most rung… you are pretty much made sure to get the best of food and pick up stamina to go through all those grinds… just that you dont look fat but start look healthy and strong…. (quite a few SSC army folks in family and then friends, seen the way they developed)
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the movie lakshya is ultimately not just an army movie… its about a journey of a man and the way his personality develops as life challenges him and he determines to make the difference…. the war scenarios are somewhere down the props to enhance the harshness of life, of showing how life commands disciplene at times, how when you are not aware what life has in store for one, one tries to reach out and make all those amends that he/she would have left it at assumption or grace, even if that means talking to his own father… the entire concourse of the army training is about leaving your comforts in life and facing what it has to give you, from an affluent life to living up and taking in the embarassements and freustration that are thrown by seniors in army (various sect in society) to come up stronger, the determination to live through it all and come out stronger, to have the will and make that difference …. the army set up remains the chance to show how an aimless leaving things to what happens guy, takes up the charge of an army, despite being the youngest to make gritty promises, and asking for taking charge of things, as somebody who not only impresses and promises the best in the army, but also take in total command and act responsibly when the life gives this sudden situation which cannot be left as it is (when they decide to abort the mission)… its moves into the self actualisation realm of the character….
the change right from being one of the ‘friends’ to somebody who pays adequate importance to his seniors and even the subedars, who make sure to pass their pearls of wisdom to him…
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the putting up of the flag on the top is finally an indication of reaching the pinnacle of that path he set for himself, the determination and the will, and then when the moment comes living upto it…reaching that goal of his…which he does before he collapses…. and ultimately when he walks out of the hospital, its about walking out a new man .. into the life… walking with the new stride, but having made that difference in life though himself that the same life accepts and salutes him in a new respect…
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in all potentials I still rate this movie as one of those highly evoking movies… yes the army plays a role of importance in the movie… however ultimately this movie is about the awakening of a man… his lakshya…
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Hmm. I appreciate it. It would have been a post.
@P.S,
You are giving your theoretical attachment with the film. I had described the process – how small things started affecting my viewing
At the end of the film you are concluding that no Boman has more to express in his relationship with his son. Film is seen in an order in which scenes are kept.
So viewing process is not dependent on what can come after 1 hour in the film but what is passing through the eyes at that moment. I had not kept the scene of Boman in the film. Film showed it in such a way and film has to justify its way of presentation.
As every film has weaknesses, it would be good for further discussion if you mention few such weaknesses in the film. And not the theoretical background of the scenes but the reporatge (analytical) on the scenes, the way they appeared and why you found them weak scenes. what was missing there.
It can not happen that everything was great in the film for you.
If it is possible for you, please do so.
Well Rk it depends upon what you how you are seeing the movie, and the post… what you would call as a theoretical attachment with the movie, is my interpretation of how the movie evolves… it has an under laying stories, which if you have missed, then the whole experience of movie has been missed out by you …
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father son … not all chemistries need to be explained or justified… the movie had even subtle references when HR talks of his father not attending his PTA meetings, and in real life any family which might have seen father or somebody known to believe that by maintaining certain distance, kids do not take their fathers for granted if for any reason, and the respect lives where the child does not dare to openly disobey the father… there are no reasons for justifying too many things here… if Johny Walker had to justify why he felt so bad about Rajesh Khanna dying though their meetings have hardly been a couple of them, then thats a post mortum of emotions, which should relished and dig in deeper maybe you get your justification, but thats not what the scene is anyways meant for …
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For some reason it looks like the movie you watched had Boman Irani’s opening scene as him being pissed about the army letter… either you have seen this in a pirated CD, or walked into the hall late… in either case I sincerely think you should watch the movie again .. non pirated DVD…
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The Viewing process if is only about analyzing every scene that appears on screen and then move on to the next with no connection and not building up with the movie then the whole experience of watching a movie is killed… I somehow dont think even comic books should be read this way ……
Yes every movie does have its weaknesses however taking a page out of your book, analyzing weakness is taking away the charm of watching this movie… what you may be calling as technically competent, was pretty competent at all possible emotional levels as well…
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and for all due reasons RK, I am not denying that this post might look like ‘theoretical attachment’ though on the same context, most of your posts also contain a selective personal romanticism, where answers are guised in as art if there is a question on the logic or techniques or vice versa… still wondering where the coin is not seen in the same light… what you talk of ‘viewing process being hampered’ is the same that folks had posted about movies by YC, which was adequately asked by you to be seen as the movie develops and enjoy the screenplay …
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To dismiss the whole premise of a movie by suggesting that the hero should have done in one dialog “This could have just been worth of a dialogue only said by Hritik that before joining army he was an aimless person and army life gave him a discipline, self respect and strength to focus on the aims of life.” is not my idea of discussing the weakness of the film … that being the case almost every cinema that has been made can be summed up in 2 lines…
similarly picking up nuances like if somebody had cheekbones or no cheekbones in the army and applying personal exceptions is again as much of an assumption as suggesting most Amitabh Bachchan movies that show him as Inspector in 80s- 90s, had him fat… does that take anything away from the film … not in my opinion..
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The hairdos did look bad yes, the guys didnt look like college going folks.. yes… did Amitabh Bachchan not look way too young to be a doctor in anand again? did that hamper the movie.. not that I can think of…
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Yes the songs were not the catchiest best…
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When there are scenes like Om Puri passing his wisdom, it has to be seen in completion with how the hero does ensure that even in a high tension zone, a precious piece of advice is well kept…
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Discussing weaknesses on the premise of digging up almost non issues is not for me, not on a competent movie in all accounts… While I rest my quotes here, I hope you would meet someone more who can share the your thoughts of the movie …
until we meet up in another post…
PS,
There is only one way of watching any film. How this is seen or how that is seen, such things don’t happen.
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There have been many films covering father-son relationship.
This is job of dialogue writer and director to keep suitable dialogue in a scene so that actor displaying emotions get some connection with the act of the story at that time.
There could be 1 scene or 1.5 scenes before that angry Boman scene.
I am not watching the DVD while writing about it.
Still dialogue has to justify that he is not angry only about IMA issue but his general attitude. What he shows is the anger that why Hritik applied for IMA without taking permission from his father or mother.
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I had seen the film some years ago in a cinema hall situated not more than 3 Kms away from IMA building.
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I am not asking you to change your impression about the film. so you must not feel any disturbance while writing your opinion about the film or any other film.
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Rk, I am not disturbed… I honestly believe that when we watch cinema each one has his take… so no worries about getting disturbed ya… but searching petty issues that does not seem to be weaknesses to me, anyways leaves me out of topics to add on … at the most I realize I may sound like “my view the best view” … so that tramples upon the idea of anybody relishing a movie.. ……
with regards to one way of watching a movie, again not the ideal idea for me…to me watching a movie is as good as analyzing anything in real life, art remains something that each one views in his own manner.. maybe thats why MF Hussein is always under controversy yet there are supporters of his paintings…
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The sympathy you evoke for a neighbor losing his father evokes a different reaction than a loss in personal family … thats how subjects in cinema are also viewed… so every view of a movie can be different, if its not for you, then even that is true… there is no denial to it…. in viewing and understanding things, there are no absolute truths anyways, its to each one’s psyche, however when actions needs to be brought in thats where the consensus needs to be brought in …
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In the families that I have seen (Which of course is not the universe) father’s have always kept minimum sentences while reprimanding kids… I was thrashed with my marks in report cards being bad (bad days…) but now I do understand that the marks were the issues or words that my dad had to use while disapproving my overall outlook and paying importance of things…. as realistically portrayed for someone who has seen a paternal relationship like that….
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its the same case as, as much as I may like Khosla ka Ghosla, my uncle who had seen such days in Delhi, and was in the position of parveen dabas, his view of the movie and understanding was different, to me I could see quite a lot of technical questions that didnt matter like how Ranvir shorey has a haryanvi accent but his brother grown up in similar conditions doesnt, so on… for him Takshak and KKG viewing are similar… for him it reminds him of my helpless grandfather…. not that either of our views are correct, but then picking up things within this frame is almost like pulling things out of air … and definitely not ideal for us to be discussing
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With IMA campus, cheekbones.. well thats again a question of how people are conditioned… the few that I know who were in IMA returned with puffy cheeks, their skin did reflect like it was hardened enough, and they were fed to gain that ‘charbi’… any guy not meeting certain standards… (of course not validated on the basis of cheek bones, but basically their overall stamina and fitness) were taken off, so the to be lieutenants had gained cheek fats….
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are these the weakness.. not to me… they never took away a minute of the screenplay for me… the story kept me involved, no disturbance, apart from the wierd hairdo that you had mentioned… but apart from that again, I have nothing more to contribute in terms of weakness….
(I am also of the kinds who’d watch Snatch and not complain about Boris the Blade never even coming close to dying for a long long while, while cringe if Sunil Shetty keeps uttering crap in Qayamat, cuz thats how the story and screenplay tone is )….
Thank you Jahanpanah…. somewhere I still was not able to convey the subtlety of the film as i wished to… someday when I feel that I am actually able to share what i wish to in the elaborate language, for sure a post on me …. (though again I dont think words can ever completely reflect what one wants to say
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“Rakhi meets with AB here and AB explains her that he and Rakhi are just friends and they live in separate rooms and in between they share this common hall. That scene had a comic as well as a sensitive touch.”
Some thing is amiss here. May be the Rakhi in bold should have been Smita Patil.
Tejas,
Thanks.
Yes It should have been typed as Roma. Correcting it.
Thanks
Again, liked this review especially the analogy of the characters and the surrounding atmosphere. Did director really mean to present that or it is just another case of art being interpreted differently and serving a purpose on a much wider range than what the creator thought.
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Comparison with Lakshya may be there but it is far different movie than DCH. Personally I didn’t like DCH, the reasons I’ve stated on IMDb boards
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0292490/board/nest/119710444
Lakshya is my favourite film of Farhan Akhtar. Haven’t watched Vijeta.
Wake Up Sid was good but Lakshya still remains my favourite among these coming of age type of movies (till I watch Vijeta, I think), may be because it also contained the theme of patriotism and the grandiose etc. but there were many moments in Lakshya which stuck to my mind and this movie was lacking in those moments.
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In Wake Up Sid I thought that the relation of Siddhartha and Aisha worked best as friend and not lovers. It looked like Tanya and Kabir angle was there to create some dramatic moments and obscurity in the relation only.
we can guess that Ayan has written the story and script/screenplay (as his name was there in writers category) so even if he started with an imaginary story idea of a new girl in the city, meeting with a boy younger in age than her, he must have taken many scenes from the real life incidents which he saw in his life or in the lives of people known to him or he heard from others that this and this happened with this and that. After quoting the scenes, refining is needed and again imagination helps as mind has entered in that imaginary world where this story is happening. Line is thin between real and imaginary in every creative writing process as subconscious mind also remains active all the time while creating.
Many ideas might have come to him through other films and books etc, e.g. that scene which resembles with Shakti’s scene.
But this should have been the guiding way with him that he has to handle this scene in such a way so the treatment is his own creation. So what he saw and received is the internal process and what he delivered is the external outcome. people will relate to it in their own ways. It may match with what he had thought or its meaning may differ from person to person or atleast from a group of people to another group of people.
“subconscious mind also remains active all the time while creating”
This sometimes becomes a drawback as it hinders to create something original. One may unknowingly put something from past experience and may be accused of plagiarizing though s/he may have no intention of doing so.
Will come back to related point and your other comment later.
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Going outside of this territory for now.
The education system followed in India depends heavily on memory and less on educating children about creating original ideas.
Marks are dependent on the fact how much one can recall.
Here teachers ask equations and how to derive them, which is very well described in the book but originality is crushed at the school level only.
Not the Peacock but Parrot should be the national bird in India.
If elements of refinement and advancement are there in the new work then very few, who are unable to leave the love for cynical criticism, may object on new things and can call it plagiarized work.
In Cinema like medium, it is effectiveness that matters. If new scene is more effective than the old scene used in some old film then cinematic scene is a new one. Portion of script and story may look similar in both the scenes but in film , ultimately visual impact matters.
Most of the time when we discuss such things we discuss similarity in the story, and a film has a story but still it is not entirely or solely dependent on the story only.
Sequence and order of scenes may bring different meaning.
A mother kills her son in the end (Mother India)and a father kills his son in the end (Shakti), Police officer brother kills his elder brother (Ganga Jamuna and Deewar) and we know for sure that earlier two films inspired later two films but we have been enjoying all the films and we love them individually for what they are because inspite of some similarities they have got individual status and existence.
And there is Sholay.
Story is like a thread and scenes are like beads and in combination they form the shape of a necklace but thread can remain invisible and scenes may shine individually and invisible thread will bind the beads in a cohesive manner.
1 line story having 2 characters in a small room can find an expansion of 2 hours in a film because their actions and sayings will create moments for the film.
Inspiration in films is different from inspiration in literature. What is plagiarism in books may or may not bring same conclusion if we are dealing with films as here story, scenes and words are one part of the visual narration and whole visuality of a material may bring a different impact.
Re: Lakshya,
Once you get to see Vijeta and Full Metal Jacket, you will be able to consider all the three films from a different understanding.
In Vijeta you get to see a whole dynamics of the relationship among husband, wife and son.
Laskhya’s leading man has greater goals before him while WUS’s character has not set any goal only he gets some meaning in doing something in immediate life and something which he knows and where he can invest his focus and energies. Small goal and there is no heroism involved here while Lakshya’s motto was based on the big and brave events.
Sid- Aisha : friendship/love,
In one scene Sid asks Aisha that they are friends but they can be more than just friends and she stops him at that stage and says that she finds him boy while she likes something manly. But a thought was there in the Sid’s mind.
They live together for sometime and this live in gives them opportunity to understand them on a better level. Loving relationship was left on the character of Aisha as she is elder so she has to accept it.
May be they became habitual of each other because they lived for sometime under one roof.
Writer/Director saw one possibility like this in terms of story. Many things of this story may not look feasible for many in real life but a story is a story and it may happen to one couple among millions of couples. Rest are the moments which may appeal to many people as they can be part of any other love story.
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Kabir, Tanya- perhaps there was more coverage given to these two characters in the script but editor’s hands with the consent of director chopped off their scenes from the final version of the film. There is something missing there because there is a scene where Kabir invites Aisha to a Jazz concert and once he turns and goes away she becomes very happy on this invitation and the expressions she gives in the scenes may be accepted only in one condition that she was considering Kabir as her potential lover and she was ready for this relationship.
If I may recall correctly then Aisha has already spent time at Kashmira Shah’s house and where KS querries about her sex life etc and Aisha goes on realisation that she has some feelings for Sid.
There was some problem in sequence.
Tanya’s case looked bit different as she seemed to have more feelings towards Sid than he had for her. Moreover being the woman, she witnessed early (Where Sid and Aisha are singing a duet at a gathering) that Sid and Aisha had something between them though they may not be able to realise it at this time.
Aisha is elder but isn’t most of the time women decide whether to accept someone or not, irrelevant of being elder.
Yup. Konkana had already been to Kashmira’s house before going with Kabir in Jazz concert and there she had said something about Kabir that he was her type so she may have some feelings for Kabir there.
Moreover, I used to think that women always seek someone who is at least her stature. Considering only Sid and not his family, he was below her caliber. May be this was also the same case of one in millions.
“Women deciding whether to accept someone or not”
Is it happening in your time also?
Irrespective of an era in a good and genuine case one will walk ahead with words in the mouth only when something is happening from both the sides and silence has done its work.
Else one sided things can be defined in any manner.
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Man woman stature:
If Sid joins the business of his father and performs well, will question of stature come in to existence.
Many a times rather most of the times, it is a matter of opportunity and if opportunities are not there then best of the talent also gets corroded by sitting idle.
Still most of the time guys propose girls. So girls are the someone who choose.
Can’t tell because I don’t have much idea what is happening in my time but as far as I know mostly the cases are still the same.
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If Sid joins business then yes. That’s why I said barring Sid’s family and considering only him. Since Konkana is self-respected, assured woman, she will take only the Sid and not his birthright as a son of business tycoon in consideration.
In present time when gender difference has been almost vanished from the choice of subjects and working areas, and this emergence of women in every possible area has affected the employment possibilities for the men, can there be change in the mind set of women? and in the mind set of men?
Ah! I used to think something like that (still think). Why should always guys approach the girl? Why proposal has to be from guys only.
If there is equality, it should be both ways. But, anybody thinking that way will probably end up like me.
The mindset is dependent on many things like Natural factors and long established social factors, conditionality etc. It is not possible to change it overnight.
Proposal: Many people have this habit to write their names on walls of heritage buildings or on the rocks or wherever they visit as a tourist.
I mean, unless condition (dono taraf hai aag barabar lagee huyee) prevails what is the purpose of proposing?
Maybe impact of films etc but boys do it most of the times.
Right thing at right time. Sabra ka fal meetha hota ho na hota ho par lagta jarur meetha hai.
Reminds me of Aamir Khan’s ads.
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No hurry here. The age when the hormones were most active has long past.
Also, I think I mentioned it one of your posts that the whole situation is like this because it is a natural thing. Mostly in Animal Kingdom, females are the choosers and males are the competitors. Humans are no different.
Sooner or later, to be in love is a must thing for anybody to know many things which one can not know in the absence of love in his/her life.
“Other is there” acts in two ways,
it kills the “ego” and it creates the “ego”.
One swings between these two types of egos and learns.
Someone has said,
“ Saboot Jamuna Kinare aaj bhee hai,
Ishq ke Tajdaar ka Bosa ”
Watching behavior of females, is there anymore any kind of inhibition of initiation among them? Exceptions will be there in any direction but in general terms?
Have no idea about this ‘ego’.
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I have not closely observed the behaviour but that was based on few observations and discussions. Not talking about the initiation per se but selection.
I think I should read ‘Origin of Species’ for better understanding.
Species itself will bring an understanding. Origin is too old. Since then everything has undergone Mutation.
“To Know the Love is to be in Love”.
There is no other way.
Dhai Akhar prem ka parhe so pandit hoye..
Doesn’t Kabir mean that all the human beings should love each other. It’s mutual love among humans. Not ladka-ladki love.
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I think I’ll end up like Surinder Sahni.
ladka ladki love is understood easily and it is an important thing. hindi film industry has been relying on it very strongly.
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You will end up like yourself only. No similarity with anybody else will occur.
Like your finger prints it will be uniquely yours only.
@Rk: her feelings were always for kabir. when kashmira queries about ranbir, aisha does not feel that she has feelings for him. wrong interpretation. she just realises that she must look at ranbir from physical aspect[bcos sex life was being discussed]; whereas she had always looked at ranbir from the boyish/maturity aspect but never the full-grown man that he was. in fact, the very next scene they show how aisha is oggling at his shorts/undies which were creeping out of them
Some very interesting comments here. Some of my views on some of them, not directed to anyone in particular.
Firstly Lakshya: For me, Lakshya, worked on 2 levels. One on an individual level, story of karan shergill, and other of India-Pak kargil war. As an individual story, its probably mine and of many many others, a favourite film. Maybe because, most people who are aimless, have gone through a phase of humiliation and being right down the barrel. Maybe humiliation by parents or people around you, with whom you have been since the longest time, but suddenly one day, maybe after studies are over or at such time, start looking at you in totally different view, as if you are the biggest culprit in the world. Maybe lots of people just identified with it. Did not like the war part, because the greatest war films are those which are anti war in nature, and show what the soldiers, who are normal humans actually go through, but maybe to give the boost to the individual story, director had to make the war story louder and fiery. Still great though.
WUS: Just like any 2 people one meets in real life, no 2 characters in a good film can be similar too. And starting from that point, no 2 films can be similar, and thus cannot be comparable.And as the characters are different, the process of their evolvement through the film is totally different too. And its this process of evolvement which ultimately makes or breaks a film. Character of sid is of an aboslutely normal guy, like lakshya, but where karan joins the army, sid is good at photography and thats where the comparisons stop. What is good about wus, for me are the sub plots, even though as someone pointed out, many of them might have been chopped off. The thing with the eggs, untidy room, the laptop alarm, dominos pizza, the car, sexy neighbour, best friends break up, etc.Lots of them are in a way meatphors for the stuff many of us get dependent on. Its the simplicity of how these events unfold and their normalness which u may like or hate. For me, for the longest time i used to wonder, while as a kid watching stuff of barjatya and johar, is love, if there is anything like it in the world, beautiful only if people who fall into have lots of money and big cars and stuff? Can the love story of a normal middle class be beautiful too? So often, good movies are often good, for not only what they show, but also what they could have shown and did not show. Ultimately, it just touches you oh so slightly, that one just enjoys the 2 hrs. No comments on konkana as am too much in love with her to judge her performance. Being a usual rich kid bad actors basher, i throughout the 2 hrs kept telling myself ‘ Ranbir cant be good enough. One of those rich kids, will be ok. He will goof up anytime, soon, soon.’ But 2 hrs were over and i had to eat my words. He is surprisingly very good. Just a normal guy, who is confused, afraid, spirited, loves his friends, and just wants to enjoy life with complete subtlety. All in all, hard to not enjoy the 2hrs if one keeps the pre concieved emotions aside.
@have not seen vijeta so cant comment.
“Can the love story of a normal middle class be beautiful too?”
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bro, u hv to watch the films of basu chatterjee-hrishikesh mukherjee-amol palekar-utpal dutt to understand it.
@satyendra
I have watched most of basu chatterjee films and love them. He is one of my fav film makers and an inspiration. But in the 90s, so called “MAINSTREAM’ cinema which i used to watch as a kid, there used to be very few such films. Later i found out about basu’s films. Also, chatterjee’s films, reflected a time period and innocence of 70s and 80s, which had a charm of its own…but since late 90s cause of the cynicism, and other so much stuff, there are very few if any hindi film makers who such stories. So i said..
@chintan86,
Hope you have seen Saheb (Anil Kapur starrer. Perhaps Bapu had directed it? )
Anil’s character faces the struggle to survive and he is ridiculed for doing nothing. He is unemployed, and mostly doing household jobs and hence he is seen as a directionless young man by his brothers, sister in laws (barring Rakhi).
His was the one of the very good character created in hindi films of 80s.
@rk. I have seen sahib couple of times, and its one of my fav films of that era. I often feel like watching it again, but get scared as it touches a very raw nerve inside. I think like a revolutionary road, a sahib too will be a relevant film 10 yrs from now. The character of anil and utpal are one of the most beautiful ones there can possibly be. Both love their family, are helpless, scared and dont express their love for one another the whole film. But their bond can be seen in every frame they are together without having many dialogues. Its one of the rare films when over the top family members work effectively. Can go on and on about it but in short, a beautiful film.
I would also like to say something on the inspiration factor. Just inspiration is not a crime. It can be natural most times. Just similarity in storyline is not impt, its how the visuals play to uplift the story is whats impt. In a way, dharmendra and jason bourne both kill no of people, as if they are superman. But its how effectively, one uses the quotient of suspension of disbelief which is impt.As far as dialogues are concerned, the film maker has to have a blend of a language in which he himself is comfortable with and what the characters in the film would/should in respect of their background speak. Fact is that even among Nri’s, depending on their character, it can be decided whether he will speak in hindi or english or whatever when he comes to india.Problem arises when this preconceived notion comes up, that he can speak only in this or that language irrespective of his characterisation. The best example of creating magic with dialogues is before sunrise and before sunset. where with just dialogues and reactions the chemistry and characters are created.
Just one more thing i would like to add. I would like to say, being a young film maker myself that some of us may make films precisely to win awards cause maybe we dont know any other way to let film industry people know that we exist.I dont see anything wrong in that. Problem may arise when the characters in the film, speak a language which does not suit them, given their background. If they are carefull about that, then language is immaterial.
Chintan,
True, authentic presentation of the language by the characters does not bother and it has never bothered. Mira Nair’s fantastic film carries all kind of characters speaking in different levels of language and everything looks so appealing.
@Rk: saheb was directed by anil ganguly
Many thanks for the correct information.
One thing not much related to the movie but I’ve doubt. The urban characters in todays movies speak few words in Hindi and some big sentences of English. This is possible when people don’t have any discrimination between the two languages. Most of the people I’ve come across in real life don’t do that (May be because I’m still too naive and not much social). They may frequently use English words but not sentences. People will be equally deft in English and Hindi when the surrounding atmosphere around them is like that. Considering that Sid’s mom was still learning to speak English, I don’t think the overall atmosphere at his home was such that the discrimination between Hindi and English didn’t matter.
jahanpanah, the ability of sid to speak in english had germinated from his schooling in convents from the earliest days. if u remember, whatever little opportunity anupam kher gets, he speaks in english without any accent or flaw, which might infer that he got married to supriya pathak arranged by his parents, and maybe supriya had not had tht opportunity to go to those fancy schools, being from a lower middle class.
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anupam worked his way up to be the rich man that his son knows him to be, and he mentions once that they were living in a chawl in jogeshwari before he had made it big. he was always well educated, but had not got the opportunity, but that didnot mean he had any discrimination towards any particular language.
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sid is a product of today’s “yo-man generation”, who do not have to flaunt their money or linguistic prowess (read: even thinking in english), coz it comes naturally to thm, and they hv taken it for granted.
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it also shows the different attitudes of our society towards male n female child, at least in the 60’s, when apparently anupam n supriya’s character were grwoing up.
It may be the case with Sid but what about his other college friends and Konkana? They also do the same thing.
The population of this “yo-man generation” thinking in English is still very small but in movies every character is like that.
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Different attitude of our society? May be or may be not.If there are females like Supriya then there are males also like her. It was not the case in 60s too that every male was getting good eduction while females were not, though some discrimination may have been there.
There can be few possibilities.
1) when second generation NRIs are also covered in the target audience then filmmakers may take youth of the country forgranted that they will not mind such arrangement as almost all of them know english and certainly to this extent where they wont object on keeping maximum dialogues in english.
2) Many young directors have started writing their own stories and scripts and they are more comfortable with English than authentic hindi and they dont want to share the credits by inviting a good writer who can provide good dialogues in hindi.
3) Few may always keep festivals and international awards in mind while making the film.
Dev D’s leading male character is London returned but he does not speak all the time in English.
New filmmakers forget that even second generation NRIs watch Kabhi Kabhi, Silsila etc as they are. May be They learn many words from these old classics.
Things pinch when many films repeat the same dialogues in both the languages. A character will say, Are you listening and then he will follow same thing in hindi, tum sun rahe ho ya tumhe sunai de raha hai?
Multiplex culture has affected hindi films to a great extent.
With time lamguage of conversation also changes in the society but there should be a nice belnd.
and many films of big banners look artificial because no writer is associated with the projects who has seen the common man’s life since childhood.
Inspite of all those grand touches in his films Yash Chopra had Sagar Sarhadi type writers and their dialogues and writings brought a fine balance to his films.
Such a balance is absent from many or say majority of films.
True said.
I remember movies in which many dialogues are repeated twice, once in Hindi and again in English. I noticed this thing first in Woh Lamhe.
AK’s Dev.D doesn’t use those big lines in English and so far Vishal Bhardwaj’s movies have also avoided this thing but in Kaminey there were few dialogues in English. Considering that Charlie, Guddu and Sweety’s background didn’t look so great how they can be well versed that they can speak English effortlessly.
Even people from very good background and from very good schools of India don’t do that. They either speak Hindi (with some English words) or English.
But, movies may have started affecting few as there are people who deliberately speak big English dialogues but the effort is visible there. This is only a pretension, English isn’t their first language.
Maybe some filmmakers use this tactics of repeating the same dialogue in hindi and english to prolong the length of the film. They dont have material to make a 120 minute film and inclusion of more songs may be costly so try this also
or they may think that few audience may miss the dialogue in one language so give them same material in other language also.
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In real life most of the young actors are fluent in english than Hindi but it is quite interesting thing to see that on screen when they act using dialogues in English their performances are far weaker than their performances when they use dialogues in hindi. Their facial expressions match with their sayings in real life but when they are given set dialogues in english same convent educated actors start looking like incompetent actors. They just mouth the dialogues and leave no impact on audience.
So their chat shows are lively but their performances are almost dead in the films.
Do they feel extra pressure of matching with the accent and ways of speaking the english as english speak? and they are catering to second generation of NRIs also?
Or gap between their own styles of speaking the english and the style in which dialogue writer has written the dialogues?
But then there is always a difference between the way they speak in hindi in real life and the way they are asked to use hindi in films.
So Why their english, which is language of their daily life, ditches them on screen?
Kyunki angrezi saut bhasha hai.
Things depend on an actor also.
Amitabh Bachchan will not be counted among actors who have got education from England or convents of Switzerland but he was able to portray an english speaking character with an authority.
There are 2-3 scenes in Adalat.
And there is a lesser known film of Amitabh, which was directed by Deven Verma. Film was Besharm and there AB pretends to be a merchant coming from South Africa and there he dsiplays the accent and style.
All good actors have done it successfully.
Point is about this new generation which is so fluent in English speaking in real life but on screen many of them look irritating while following dialogues in English.
They look utterly artificial on screen.
2 days ago saw Big Boss 3 (first time and because of Amitabh Factor) and it was painful to watch many of Angrejidan people in that crowd. Utterly boring people to watch.
Arre sirjee you beat me on Big Boss 3 as I was also going to mention about the same. I also hadn’t watched it earlier, was watching it for the first time because the front page of the newspapers were filled with the news. I wasn’t even remotely interested but after watching the first few minutes, became interested because of the charismatic Amitabh Bachchan. He was speaking so good Hindi, I was mesmerised and watched it completely.
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It is unfortunate that his son Abhishek Bachchan is deprived of the legacy of his grandfather because of the language barrier.
Also Amitabh was so humble to even translate his conversation with Claudia in Hindi.
that was good when Marrigold actress started talking in German in response to AB’s Hindi.
It is almost certain that not a single Indian actor would have done similar thing if s/he was participating in Big Brother on any foreign TV.
“Only fools wrangle over language,
whats my language and whats yours,
I dont know but i understood
everything she wanted to say”
DJ
@Divjot Singh,
Satya hain kuch vachan DJ ji,
but what is the significance here?
@DJ
Nobody is arguing which language is better. It is about feeling proud of our language and heritage just like you feel proud in saying you are Indian.
I’m all for ‘Vasundhaiv Kutumbkam’ motto without any language barrier among people but first eradicate all other boundaries which exist and respect people truly as humans without any discrimination.
Using your mother tongue is also a matter of pride. “Matribhoomi ke prem se he rashtraprem utpanna hota hai.”
Most well educated people in developed nations are multilingual but India it is considered sufficient to know English. Language can create divide among people but being multilingual also helps in bridging the gap.
@Jahanpannah
Your statements are contradictory. At one hand you say “vasudhaiv kutumbakum” and at other hand you are saying “Rashtraprema”. I will tell you this “As long as patriotism is there, forget about wolrd peace”.I am not concluding neither judging.
@Rk
I just dished out few lines on the go ,i dont know their sognificance.
@Divjot Singh,
“vasudhaiv kutumbakum” and “Rashtraprema” can exist at same time if a country is not following impearialism and is not vattacking other countries. One can not bend before barbarians and let them behead good people chanting Vasudhaiv Kutumbkam. That was the saying of Rishis who talked about whole humanity.
King of that area could have given them protection from the devils so that they could pursue their spiritual research.
As Nasa is protected from outsiders.
Science is for all is an eye wash. Patent is a device to keep it reserved for few chosne only.
Tibet followed spiritual research only and it was not prepared even for the self defence and result is before whole of the world, China destroyed a unique tradition of the world. A potential nation which could have solved many questions related to humanity and existence of life has been destroyed by greed of expansion of the boundaries and to control other countries. World is silent. Foolish and coward countries, including India. Though India’s sin is bit less because ssupoer powers of the world are unable to face China and India like developing country can not afford a direct conflict with China.
One can not follow in pratice Vasudhaiv kutumbkam in isolation. People followed it but outsiders cheated on with them.
@Divjot Singh,
Re: Language,
Ok if not significance then what is the connection of it with Big Boss 3’s discussion?
@Rk
As far as I know “Vasudhaiv Katumbakum” means “World is a family”. So in a family when the need arises, a member can be selfless and in fact some time that member can sacrifice his self interests. Can this be true when in this world(read:family), every member(country) is given a right to put their own self interests and hence the interests of their sub-family(read:citizens, on the top priority?. Your points about Tibet and stuff actually helps my point.
Those lines were meant for the general theme that ‘usage’ of english has subdued usage of hindi. There is no national language in India, Hindi and English are two official language, please refer the constitution of India. Moreover Bollywood movies are not just watched by Hindi people,they have audiences way down the south and to the EAST and everywhere.Whats wrong with using english according to the requirements of the plot.
“Vasudhaiv Kutumbkam” is a realized saying of Sages, who coincidently were following their life in the geographical and spiritual boundaries of ancient India. It is a natural proclamation for the creators of Upanishads (as Aham Brahmasmi). It is not a social arrangement followed by masses or kings on mass level. On individual level it can/could be followed by welcoming foreigner guests but in any conditions it never suggests that welcome the attackers who are following inhuman actions of killing innocent people or taking away their freedom of living and following their quests.
I dont know why it is mixed up with day to day functioing of masses on mass level?
Modern propagators of Global Village pay stress upon the business aspects only. They are not saying that human beings are equal all over the world. They dont actually believe in this truth.
Many Indian languages have found their basis in Sanskrit. Hindi also had a connection with Sanskrit and this could be the reason freedom fighters and especially Mahatma Gandhi stressed upon using Hindi so that a common language may be followed by the Indians. To unite Indians an India born language was needed. English was used to combat British in their own arena. Hindi was used to keep Indians united.
Use of Hindi was proposed and not imposed.
If after independence petty politicians quarrelled and used language to gain political advantage because regionalism suited them more then it had nothing to do with the Hindi or English.
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I have not got your problem or points on this matter of Hindi and English.
We were discussing two different things.
1) English speaking young actors, are generally failed to emote right kind of expressions and emotions on screen while saying dialogues in English. Though they are mostly convent educated crowd and speaking english on screen should be natural for their body language also. In real life it is fine but when they have to mouth the english dialogues as a character they are failed in this attempt.
2. Big Boss 3
Before we may discuss what we were actually discussing about this program, few questions arise regarding this program.
is it a hindi program or a program in English? or a program where all the Scheduled languages can be spoken? Mean to ask if a contestant says that s/he can speak neither hindi nor english, will s/he be invited to the program?
DJ
Hindi was declared as the national language and English usage was optional but due to opposition of few regions it was decided that Hindi will be declared as official language in 1962 (or 64, not sure) but that never happened. This ‘anantkalik vanvaas’ of Hindi is still continuing.
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What is the requirement of the plot? The requirement is not there, it is created. We already discussed that how it differs from the real life. People all over the world don’t watch Hindi movies (Bollywood, if you say it) because the dialogues are in English. If they like it, they will watch it despite the language.
“almost all of them know english and certainly to this extent where they wont object on keeping maximum dialogues in english”
The English speaking population in India is merely 10%. Even if we consider the people who can understand but not speak, this will probably reach to 20-25%. Certainly this includes everybody and not merely the young but even that percentage may not be large. What about the youths who are still not been able to get good education and in the schools where English is second or third language? I’m saying this because I’ve some idea as I myself studied in a government Hindi medium school. English is still beyond reach to a large population. This may throw some light-
http://www.indianchild.com/english_in_india.htm
almost all of them => multiplex crowd,
and films are dependent heaviliy on the earning of first three days and big budget films of big production houses are released mostly in multiplexes only in first week.
Perhaps Hindi film Industry’s establishment in Bombay/Mumbai can not handle anymore the requirements of lower middle class and rural and poor sections of the Hindi belt. As almost every other language has a regional film Industry, this belt will also generate its own film Industry in coming 10 years or so.
To cover Premchand’s stories Gulzar Saab joins hands with DD because private channels will not invest in such projects. Many good filmmakers still make something for DD because they can afford the set up of DD only and their simple attitudes can not afford the synthetic atmosphere of private channels which are always speaking the language of money.
Ah! So instead of unity there will be more diversity in coming years.
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What happened to that Gulzar saab’s project? There was some initial buzz but never heard anything about that.
I think it’ll be beneficial for DD if good filmmakers can make really good tele-serials and bring back the old DD era.
In capitalism without any control, the market will always be dominated by profit and money only. That means excellence will be crushed and mediocrity will be celebrated.
If Tamil Telugu, Kannad, Malyali, Marathi etc film industries can have a self sufficient existence then it is not difficult for hindi belt also to develop such an Industry.
Decentralization of such facilities is always good for the betterment. If Noida etc have full facilities for shooting and post productions etc then not everybody will leave home to follow an undefined struggle in Mumbai. Moreover it will boost filmmaking in Garhwali, Kumauni and dialects of Hindi. It will only help the film world and there is no harm.
Many actors of NSD etc who dont leave Delhi to follow an endless struggle in Mumbai will get some utilization of their talent in films etc also.
If Hindi film industry does not provide films in Hindi, and films that depict something which has connection with real people living in many states then space created by this absence has to be filled by some alternative. It always happens.
Bhojpuri film Industry is an example.The kind of awareness about cinema among young people and desire of thousands of them to pursue the career in films can not be fulfilled by the present hindi film Industry only.
More places are needed to satisfy this huge demand.
DD is murdered by collective efforts of almost every Indian.
People can not avoid the blame that they are also responsible behind the sickness of DD.
Very few had desire to ask their cable guys and confront them when they used to play with the frequencies reserved for the DD only.
Only few complained when cable guys violated the rules of telecasting DD during Prime time.
DD was a govt. owned concern and it was not possible for them to play tactics in the market and using corrupt means to promote it and this was easy for private channels.
Eye opening facts can be known if history of few PSUs and DD is investigated properly.
We are an utterly corrupt nation and we are an utterly foolish nation also.
We dont realise while destroying our heritages.
Corrupt powers of market have their agents in Universities, politics, media and almost everywhere.
Many will be seen quoting endlessly that it is not Government’s job to run schools, Hospitals, TV channels, Hotels, Cos etc.
They have seen the world and they know very well that almost in all developed nations Govt. runs these things but they try to befool public here.
A developed nation may give 70% subsidy to its farmer and his children can have entire education free of cost but in India these agents will create such a scene if a small subsidy is given to farmers. and fact remains that a farmer of developed nation is quite rich in comparsion to an Indian farmer.
DD was killed bypeople also and they desired changes and today private channels are giving them changes and this is different that these changes are vulgar in nature.
@RK
wierdly, somewhere totally not related to the site (though i think it relates to each one of us) m talking the same about society and system, and you re talking the same about DD 
together we can make another ‘no smoking’ with all life being metaphored into Doordarshan…
@P.S,
Sorry I am not getting you. What society, system?
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If I did not miss anything then this is your first comment.
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Why you wish to make another No Smoking when first one is very well present around us
If one has to make something then s/he will make something new.
Quite deep and soulfull analysis of WUS… emotional kar diya. There were many instances in WUS, which brought that deep smile on my face and I think it happened after quite some time… and more so in that scene where Ranbeer took photos of mother and son…Song placing was too good in the film and specially goonja sa hai ek taara… one thing is clear that Ranbeer can act… and RK BTW if you try, I think you can write very good romantic stories with full of passion… last para of ur post clearly demonstrates it…
I guess by the January when 2-3 more films of Ranbir will have been released, he may sing with an authority,
… is zameein se asman tak, mein hee mein hun,
The DD comment suited better to one of the other posts to initiate some discussion. No?
Every Indian? I still have DD at my home.
There is almost a trend to blame the things owned by government. Not totally the fault of people and corrupt powers but also the incompetent bureaucrats. The government system is rigid. It takes ages to bring some change. In this constantly changing world how to keep people attracted and absorbed? I’m not saying this only about DD, if we take example of Air India. Once upon a time known for its better services among one of the best airlines but today the condition has become wretched. Too much interference of government also ruins an organization.
the power is in the hand of government so why not control the agents of corrupt powers? May be because those corrupt powers are themselves running the government. It is really a catch-22 situation. The condition of farmers can’t be improved just by giving subsidies. Agents all around take their share in this subsidy also. Agriculture should be an industry. There is Capital Cost taken into account while manufacturing the goods but a farmer’s land is not taken as a capital cost. When prices increase agents make hey. The whole situation is like that because of corruption.
PSUs become sick industries, it is not a very simple phenomenon as we accept it. It can not be denied that they are deliberately sabotaged by Private sector also and it
is other side of the coin and it is all managed because corruption is there and corrupt employees are there. An honest govt. employee is a lone species and who lives at a meager salary and with little or no power. He cant twist facts in media which private sector easily does.
Why to segregate farming and farmers only. Every Industrial sector gets heavy subsidy from the govt. Groups worth 4000-5000 Cror Rupees get subsidy and many relaxations when they establish something in an area but because everything is so big so only few talks about these things. This is also done by the same money given by tax payers.
Private sectors were not into oil exploration etc till now but now they are and soon we will be told that ONGC is under loss and it has been an inefficient organisation since many decades.
Population has been increased multifold but number of govt. employees is not increased in that ratio and in most of the cases it has been reduced. Chief of a private sector handles few hundred employees and at the most few thousands, in exceptional cases and he owns absolute power and decisions are followed quickly and without any protest. A DM may be responsible for 1 lac to 1 million people and his orders are never followed without protest by people. He and his actions are always under the gaze of media and people.
Human rights are more in govt. sector and related departments but no employee talks about these things in private sector.
People have become less responsible and in private sector they are under pressure to atleast follow the orders while in govt sector they can avoid the pressure.
Private sector, in India specially, works in the benefit of common man where they have competition with govt sector else if there is monopoly of private sector only then they simply exploit the public.
Businessman knows only profit and it should come at any cost. Govt can not have this brutal attitude in a democracy.
It can not be claimed that the education given in today’s costly schools owned by private rich groups is better than the education given by KVs and state govt schools in the past though there is a hell kind of difference between the prices paid by the parents in both kind of schools.
It was unthinkable in govt engineering colleges to get more than 80-85% but it is easily seen in todays private engineering colleges. How it is managed?
Education in govt engineering college was/is bad than these private engg colleges?
Things are manipulated.
Private sector’s growth is dependent on corruption while Government organisations go by rule books. They can not fly so high so soon. they always have gravity.
For example if there is a problem of pollution control in a government owned plant then it will be shut down till problem is solved and pollution control device is installed and they can not manage pollution control authorities for time being by giving them bribery while Private sector producing same product will not be closed for a single day and will continue to produce. They will manipulate the things. and Balance sheets will definitely show that Pvt sector was in profit last year while govt. sector was in loss though pvt sector harmed the system and environment both.
Pvt sector breaks the “existing laws” and this thing can not be done by govt sector. Pvt sector wants to grow very fast and it pushes them to follow sam daam dand bhed niti.
Things aren’t good when we look with moral spectacles but forget private sector, how many people care for moral or immoral things. Of course the private companies are in the business to earn the profit and they’ll do it by hook or by crook. They don’t have any responsibility towards people unlike government. Government has to take everybody in account and has to give equal opportunity to all. Govt. has failed to attract the efficient professionals because being in govt. job has been seen as ‘araamdayak’ job. Growth opportunities and exposure are limited. Again, because of sticking to a book rule.
The condition of govt. schools and state govt. isn’t very good currently. The private sector has started dominating in the education as well. There were times when children of officers and peon used to study in same school but the situation is different today good education is only for the privileged few.
What’ll be the future of good govt. schools and colleges when it’ll keep increasing without efficient policies and proper infrastructure? They may go into the oblivion like other govt. owned things.
The future also doesn’t look good. IAS aspirants have already chalked out plan how to use the resources for their own benefit. With this mentality how could be development.
Not question of Moral and immoral only but in reality and in practical sense also, many different aspects are associated with the decline or growth of anything.
PSUs and Govt. sectors are aramdayak, corrupt, function slow etc are superficial reactions and opinions and there are other facts also but people just repeat few things for some years and there generates an opinion.
Corruption became a fashion in last 3 decades and majority became corrupt. But this can be a phase and honesty can become a fashion as it was after independence.
Majority of govt. employees have not turned corrupt over night, public specially contractors type species have made them corrupt by alluring or by opting foul methods.
When a trend to do even small jobs through contractual method came into existence then corruption started entering at all levels because then quality of work became secondary thing and profit of contractor became primary. To earn more profit, a contractor has to reduce the quality and to do so he has to lure or force officer in-charge.
Contractors are part of society so this was the first step of making sure the participation of private sector in the functioing of govt.
Everything can not be imposed on govt. This is very likely that an honest employee can be found in govt. sector but its highly unlikely to find an honest contractor.
Majority of contractors even at small levels are part of an establishment which can not be said as follower of IPC. A govt. officer does not hold much power against corrupt entities of society.
In every department honest employees have been ridiculed, victimized by their corrupt colleagues who joined hands with contractors. Honest employees were in minority but in last 3 decades they have been seen as aliens. Children of thoroughly honest employees have been found cursing their father because they could not enjoy good pocket money in their childhood while children of corrupt employees working in same offices, enjoyed luxurious childhood and it is also seen that corrupt employees spend retirement in good houses among good facilities and honest employees run here and there to arrange for a workable house which they can barely afford.
Private sector is not only Industrial sector but a sabjiwala, paanwala, rikshawwala, person who is cutting hair, shop owner, sweet vendor, milk wala etc all are parts of private sectors and we can see what is the situation on street these days. Who is honest and who is not cheating on his customers?
Corruption has entered at very grass root level.
It is not that all civil servants are corrupt. It is easy to follow the corruption at their stages but still honest civil servants are there who have not taken any money in their entire career but there have been situations where they have to confront big corrupt powers who are backed by political powers also and they have to allow many things which they would never have allowed if system was able to recognize honesty and could have given safety to them and their families.
We have made an opinion that honesty has become an extinct entity in India and this one sided opinion is very harmful. Situations have become so worse that more than the govt. employees people try to give money to the employees as they think their works will be done without any problem and if an employee is not demanding money then their works can /will not be done.
True. I have some idea about this contractor and government employees tussle/union through my personal experience. Also true is that few employees who does not relent to the big powers may have to loose their life. Cases of S. Dubey and Manjunath are the few among many. If they’ll have to face so much difficulties for serving honestly who’ll want to be honest?
System can be changed but it can’t be overnight. Not many people are needed, only one can do this. Later, log milte jayenge aur karva banta jayega.
But renaissance happens in the most troubled times.
Politics is the supreme parameter and in democracy it is the deciding parameter also. If politics is clean then rest of the things will fall in to the place.
Present time is not able to produce a single political leader who can motivate entire nation to work for betterment of the nation. People have lost faith and they think every single politician is corrupt in one way or other.
In the end in their constituency people select leaders belonging to their own cast, no matter how corrupt he is.
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But it is happening everywhere. World politics is full of corruption. Joke of the year is Nobel Prize for peace to Obama. Mr President has no courage to meet with Dalai Lama in his own capital and he is given a prize for peace
I beg pardon but don’t you think that you are bit harsh on Lakshya. It’s purely subjective experience and I’ll not defend it. The first watching didn’t leave a good impression but the movie grew on me later on the contrary to DCH which shrank further and further.
While the weak points highlighted there may be true about the movie but isn’t all the mainstream commercial films in India suffer from those same weakness. Someone pointed out that the desks shown in a village school in Swades are are too neat and clean. Gita was always wearing beautiful sarees etc. We have been discussing here how Yash Chopra has used beautiful imagery and gloss factor which doesn’t hamper the scene from being good. Of course YC should have taken more care in detailing but why not criticizing him there? Because, we are taking the overall impact of the scene. Take the example of Veer-Zaara, did SRK looked like an army pilot in that movie? He was even wearing a jeans in the 70s which looked like made in 21st century. In Lakshya, Preety and HR doesn’t look like just passed out of college but then did Aamir et al looked like college going students in RDB (though Aamir should have passed out but he has remained in college)? What about the upcoming ‘Three Idiots’ and those 60s, 70s flicks where grown ups like Rajendra Kumar used to go college? HR is not that professional that he’ll go and develop a cheekbone for his role. Things like these are a huge shortcomings in Indian film industry and if we start nitpicking 90% of the movies made here should be discarded.
@Jahanpanah,
Re: Subjectivity, this can be accepted that those who have already seen Rambo 1, Cliffhanger, An Officer and a gentleman, Full Metal Jacket etc they may not maintain curious eyes all through the training session and during mountain stunt scenes etc.
While those who have never seen these films may watch many scenes with mesmerized eyes while watching stunts in Lakshya.
Re: Chubby cheeks and cheekbone.
Cheekbones are not developed but they are must product during the MILLITARY TRAINING PERIOD as fat is burnt out of the body. This is such a hard period for the body.
I guess Hritik had increased the fat on his body to look like a lazy person in his civilian avtar before he joins Army.
I can understand that perhaps they did not have permission to shoot for longer at IMA campus and they shot all the IMA scenes in one schedule which could be few days long only.
But this is about the practical difficulty but then there are alternatives.
Why people appreciate when a Robert De Nero develops fat on cheeks and his belly once he takes retirement from boxing life and spends time in a retired life?
It was not such a big big deal for a highly devoted and hard working actor like Hritik to look like other trainees at IMA if Farhan had desired to bring authenticity in all the portions in his film. This was not due to budget contraints.
Right get ups of leading actors come under the over all vision of a director. Hritik’s Delhi footage as a directionless civilian, may be around 30 minutes long and that is not a short duration for a 2-3 hour long film. That means Farhan’s eyes as a director could not see what was happening with the looks of his leading actors.
Farhan was riding on the big success of DCH and perhaps Hritik was under the pressure because perhaps he had denied DCH otherwise it was difficult for a perfectionist like Hritik to continue with such an odd get up.
Just one year or few months ago Hritik had performed wonderfully in Koi Mil Gaya. He played much younger person in KMG and we accepted and loved him there because director Mr Roshan presented him nicely in a suitable manner and he also gave his best efforts to make his character a genuine one.
Hritik is the finest actor among all the actors in their 30s working in current hindi film Industry. A director has to demand from such a fine actor and he will give the desired.
Re: Swades, There should be some apt discussion about such things on some post on PFC. This is not that what did not look suitable in Swades was accepted as such.
or even RDB. whenever discussion has been done weaknesses of the films are also discussed. Otherwise we will be reduced to the level of two sentences only.
We liked this film.
we did not like this film.
As said in some comment yesterday. Before Internet it was not possible to express opinion on such a mass level. If Internet was available in 50s, 60s and 70s and 80s, then weak elements of the films would have been indicated by people like we have gathered on PFC and other forums.
Rest in second comment.
Farhan is a talented filmmaker is one thing and that is without any doubt.
Are his last two films good in every aspect? This may be debatable.
Any progressive filmmaker tries to overcome the weaknesses with which many old films used to suffer. In new time progressive minds do not say because it was happening in old time so we will also do and people should accept and appreciate everything we are making and presenting.
It is not possible to continue praising Manoj Kumar’s films of 80s because he had made Upkar in late 60s and Shor and Purab aur Paschim in early 70s. Those three films will be praised. Few portions of Roti Kapda aur makan will be praised. Few aspects of Kranti can be praised but these films can not be praised in their totality.
It can not happen that audience who have little understanding of films, will appreciate unconditionally LOC because JP Dutta is insisting that he has made a film on Kargil event and every Indian should see and appreciate this effort.
It may happen if director has taken care of detailing in his film. Almost all the people die in same manner in LOC. They become furious and they come shouting and abusing Pak soldiers and they are shot by enemy. LOC presents Indian soldiers as emotional fools who can not take right decisions at right time and war means give your life to the enemy!
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Re: being harsh on film.
Given the fact that film had got such a gathering of very good actors, they could be utilized to create great cinematic moments. But most of them were under utilized because scenes were not created for them in screen play. Aditya Srivastava has only one dialogue in film. Amitabh is utilized in such a way as if he is kept there to increase the market value of the film. Amrish Puri remains on phone only.
and as Javed Saab has written the screen play so he has kept his Shakti Scene here also where Amitabh is pleading with Amrish that his unit should be given few hours time. In Shakti Dilip Saab pleads before Dada Moni that he should be given some more hours so that he can arrest Amitabh.
Many things present in the film we have already seen in many other films.
and then that song which soldiers start singing while going to Kargil.
Change something while making a new film in new time!
Still, it could have risen above its average level if thought was given to utilize properly the actors.
Something better is expected from Farhan as a director.
certain actors do not always need to deliver lines or dialogs in every frame they are in, the presence in itself is used for building up the seriousness of the environment… the term may sound very downrightish but they are used as props to build up some levels within the movie… with Aditya Srivastav, AB, Sushant Singh, Sharad Kapoor (w/ moustache) Raj Zutzi or Amrish Puri over the phone, are still utilised to build up the scenes of important senior memebers being present in the same troop as HR…
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requesting for time on the phone, is a situation we can see in movies with or without the uniforms, be it police saga, army saga, or kidnap dramas, asking for time even without the phone has quite a lot of scenes earlier done, where actors are face to face, and time is asked for to complete a task determinedly… not too sure where the inspiration would start…
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yes the song might be a drag, but armies do have war cries and self building chants, that happen… “Bharat Maata Ki Jai” may not be the most apt cry in a movie, but yeah maybe the song could have wrapped up sooner…
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well again to cut out from the movies that were being made.. by stalwarts, or newly reputation gained directors, and also try to keep away from his previous super success (yeah there were times the civilian HR pre army behaves like Aamir of DCH, but maybe thats just a character Farhan has stuck to him) the movie did deliver where it was necessary … being an average flick or not, is again for each person’s view… for sure something better is always expected, but yeah the laud for making this one is also pretty much deserving in place….
@Jahanpanah,
(Concluding comment on your comment.)
Now 4-5 years after its release it is irrelevant whether Lakshya is good or very good or average or below average.
In reality A filmmaker is always helped by a discussion on his old film as he and his film comes under focus and if weaknesses are discussed then merits are also discussed. Students of cinema are not film critics who may affect the film’s business aspects in first week.
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At your age you must put every single film you like under sharp scanner. It is easy to do so with the films, you dislike.
And this is done after you have watched the film.
This has nothing to do with film or its maker but about the learning of the person who has watched the film.
In future You may be doing something creative in film related areas and for that sake also you have to dissect different aspects of the films.
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As discussed in first comment while replying to Avn, a scene shows AB, Hritik, Sharad Kapur, Sushant Singh etc in Army club watching TV.
PM Vajpai was shown embracing Nawaz Sharif.
Camera went to capture faces of AB, Hritik, and most of the other actors present in the room.
Now such a scene can be there just to set the chronology or it may be explored deeply by asking actors not to show blank eyes and faces but to display some emotions also so that impact of political manouvering on army personnels is reflected. Or AB can be shown displaying a little anger or frustration over such efforts or some young officer shows this anger and being senior most officer there AB says some sensible and practical thing.
In any case students of cinema should think upon such scenes.
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Earlier actors did not go for these things that they increased or reduced the wt etc. But now if an actor does it then it is advertised as a big thing. So if Hritik is asked to increase fat on his body to look idle then it is duty of a director to show some physical changes when character is passing through a rigorous millitary training. Such detailing becomes a must and its absence shows that director is already taking his audiences forgranted. Film is stuck somewhere between old and new schools of filmmaking.
A filmmaker himself cherishes ideas how he could have improved the film or he can see his old film and can feel how badly he had handled this or that scene.
Students of cinema should also not have any hesitation in doing so.
For some reasons… and purely personal but to me it occurred that Veer Zaara and Black were pretty much over rated… I don’t expect any support for this, however these were movies, which were hyped up to the core, kind of the situation where milk has boiled all the way to the top, before it pours out…
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Veer Zaara to me never had any display of the sacrifice that movie spoke about … screenplay moves quick from an indian pilot saving life of a pakistani national, to his village, (another everybody happy village in punjab), to the girl making a difference in the village life… moving back, guy goes to meet girl, framed charged and arrested.. I thought.. and purely for me… this is where the movie had to pick up … about the unspoken sacrifice… the deal that can transform a youthful determined man, into either a epitaph of silence, which when offered a shoulder, even if needed would hesitate or refuse to take it… but ensuring that the secret lies with him… OR the hero changes the tone, where he tries to be cheerful and keep making talks and things, to suppress or hide the word that he knows… that he knows there is gloom around and he can expect no joy any more, but the stakes are high at least for him personally … the split screen into present, and then a lawyer do the talk, a hawaldar appealing for him (akele hum akele tum had this scene with Neeraj Vora, the best for my tastes… subtler… yet excellant) … while the hero makes paper planes..then you come back to India to see the heroine maintaining the village… of course there is the under current that they have sacrificed their regular lives to either let the other live their life with all respects (SRK for Priety) or giving their lifetime to live the dream of the other one (Preity for SRK, and his family), but the whole voyage of sacrifice commanding its price on the protagonists was missing…..
Same thing with Black … somewhere the whole movie came across … to me… like there was a point that was being proven with regards to acting skills, or direction or photography … but again to me this was a movie which was an effort similar to Sri Lanka posting 937 runs to be the highest run scorers in test cricket… the soul somewhere was sorely missed… BY ME..
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I felt the media and the concerned folks did buy into this thought… awards were given out, the films were there everywhere … but as I said… this is where the milk had started to spill out… Rani Mukherjee’s career slide downwards started after this one… she may have had hits, but it was getting obvious that she’s a few steps away from fading off.. a hum tum and bunty babli were possibly the only noted ones from her…
SRK might have had his hits, but post VZ is where his critical acclaim was over…. Swades made sure to be more or less his epitap for some time… commercial success is a different yardstick for SRK, and now in his yardstick he was losing…. to himself, to other contemperories like Akshay Aamir, and simultaneously YRF and KJ had Vipul Shah Priyadarshan,fulltime…till then they were competitors, but when it was time for the SRK Rani and the camp, the swing was all their, somewhere here these alternatives surfaces as full time alternatives.. replacers during a week of release…
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the overhyping to me looked like it was post these 2 movies that people started looking for alternatives.. in any forms… heroes, heroines, industry camps… but to me this is where the milk had boiled to its tip for this entire camp…
personal thoughts..
This kinda reminds me of recent Delhi-6, when people were complaining about the fake accent of Abhishek or lack of romance between Roshan and Bittu or some stereotypical characters while failed to see the content through the plot. Case here was not that similar but looked like one.
For proper analysis of the movie, a fresh watch is needed. I’ve watched it once at the time of its release.
Good and bad points can be discussed separately but I do think that if for a movie the positive points outnumber the negative points it works in most of the cases. Lakshya was one of those. Sometimes when one is familiar with the situations and conditions more than the director has put in a movie, the movie doesn’t connects the viewer and it may not work even though it may be better than some of the movies out there. DCH was such a case for me, Lakshya may be for someone else.
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Happy Diwali.
Film viewing may bring different experience to many people who are affected by the hype (in both directions positive as well as negative) about the film if they watch a film after hype is over or they watch it again after a gap of few months. These days during the intial release a hype creates some atmosphere around the film and people’s viewing is affected by that confusing and mixed type of atmosphere. It can be seen that many people witness some change in their opinion when they watch it again after some time when there is no clash between interest of film and its audience and now they are watching it purely because of their desire to watch it or they are watching it with no special expectations out of it.
). This fanship is dangerous for students of cinema. Ordinary viewers may opt any approach.
Delhi 6 was bit complex to get right kind of reactions from all kinds of audiences during the initial days of its release. many people who did not like it very much at that time may end up liking many more things in the film when they will watch it now on DVD where they have time to pay proper attention to the detailing and subtle characteristics given to its characters. Prem Chopra may steal their heart now while many might not have paid any attention to his character in the previous watching.
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Before 30 it is not good to be a fan of any particular film or an active filmmaker because if films are accepted as such and without dissecting them then even a bright cinematical mind of a student of cinema may not get sharpness (after 30 it becomes difficult to become a devoted fan of anybody
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Thanks for Diwali wishes.
It is never late to reciprocate the wishes.
May you see a happy life and a great learning and creative time ahead.