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Will the real RGV please stand up ?

I am posting this a little late in the day but just saw RGV KI Aag and I am so depressed that I can hardly think, breathe or even fathom what the hell happened. I have as of today witnessed the worst train crash in my life and its called RGV ki AAg.

Before some of the more “Intelligent” readers of PFC jump at me and tell me that this is a review I am writing to impress the “Exclusive” writers, let me clear out the air and tell all, that my passion for films increased tenfold when I started to see RGV’s early works. I still remember being in the 9th Standard when I saw Shiva and it left me awestruck. I was in my graduation when I saw “Rangeela” and was amazed at the biting wit and direction sense. I was a young employee when I saw “Satya” and it blew me away that a story could be crafted so well.

To a large extent, the whole idea of trying to be a filmmaker for me stemmed from the fact that he (My Guru then & now) had entered the mad bad world of movies with no fantastic degree from either here or the universities abroad. He loved movies and told a tale just because he wanted to. This made sense to me at many levels and I grew up a die-hard fan of Ramu. When Girls like my Sister & Friends all cribbed that he was a misogynist and used women as sex props, I still fought for RGV and told them all off. This was a new wave in the whole aspect of movie-making & it would be too difficult for amateurs or untrained eyes to understand what a new moviemaker was trying to do.

With the launch of the Factory, me and my buddies all had a new place to keep talking about. The small stories we heard of new directors getting launched, script writers being hired became legends for us and a probable path to dream. All our dream around that time centered on renting our near factory and then doing our daily visits to the Factory till we were heard by the Master.

When he started to make movies like Daud and Naach, I got a little worried but like a true blue fan, kept on at my hobby of watching all his movies. I kept consoling myself that even if the stories were becoming weak, the technical aspect was getting better but the stories that were so vividly exchanged a few years earlier about getting breaks for new guys was sounding hollow with the same guys also doing movies in the factory however pathetic their stories were.

At the same time, the guys who made factory a really cool place were all exiting due to various reasons. Anurag, Sreeram, Shimit all seemed to be doing different stuff. This was sad and also sort of joyous for guys like me. We felt there were empty places to fill in the Factory and our urge to write, tell more of our stories became stronger but over the past 2-3 years, we have somehow lost our Woodstock, our Bert Schneider, our age of cinema.

The guys who were on the fringes of this passionate field since they did not have fancy last names all lost their messiah in many ways and I feel a deep sense of loss when I got out after seeing “Aag”.

Hence the title of this post. I STILL DO NOT FEEL RGV HAS LOST HIS TOUCH BUT SEEMS TO HAVE LOST HIS WAY DEFINITELY.

Ramu or Ramu Ji or Mr. Ram Gopal Verma or RGV or BOSS or Ramu Gaaru

This is an ardent message from a fan and also an aspiring filmmaker who only got the courage to follow a passion after seeing you so quickly break the glass ceiling for all of us.

Please please wake up and get back to your original self. I know you have many more good movies in you either as a director or producer. We really cannot be beaten up by the flotsam and jetsam since we call ourselves your fans as we too are getting weaker after seeing your current movies.

There is a large world out there with many hungry folks with some amazing content. Please do open your doors to them and you will not be left short-charged. You have always commented on how you are not like those large production houses which only have a chacha-mama setup and only a few get entry. Sadly this has become true of the Factory. We know since we watched “Darwaza Band Rakho” & “Mr. Ya Miss”

We are tired of seeing movies which are technically good but with no soul. We are tired (Really Tired) of Nisha Kothari and her anatomy at the most weirdest angles. I are sick of seeing only fake/replica gangster movies coming out of your stable. I am fed up to the teeth with movies being about look and camera angles. There is a story also that needs to be more tightened & needs to have a SOUL.

Please do take this as a comment from a guy who has paid his due to pass this as he has watched all your movies in a Theater and due to an accident only watched “Aag” so late in the day. You cannot break our hopes and dreams and make us feel that a GUY WITH ABSOLUTELY NO FILM FRATERNITY CONTACTS, NO FORMAL EDUCATION IN THE FIELD BUT PASSIONATE ABOUT MOVIES cannot make it in the Industry as I still believe in that.

I remain even in this harangue a true fan of yours and hope to see you come out of whatever issues you have and simply make movies that will make me clap, shout, talk about, buy DVD’s and keep dreaming on about how a man out of nowhere came to the bad city of mumbai and broke barriers within the fraternity to tell his tale.

Cheers, Deepak

PS: Apologies for the long post but felt this needed to be said

42 Responses to “Will the real RGV please stand up ?”

  1. sunny lalany on September 17th, 2007 8:40 am

    each to his own.

    but i beg to differ. daud is a fantastic film

    Paresh rawal was outstanding.

    well tht’s me.

    but yes RGV needs to wake up and brush his teeth as well as mind.

  2. Tushar on September 17th, 2007 9:53 am

    Daud and Naach are few of his eclectic works.

  3. turrtle on September 17th, 2007 10:05 am

    I agree with Sunny. I watched Daud - first day, first show and I enjoyed its wierd (if so !) brand of humor. I do remember howling with laughter, the first time I saw it.

    :-j

  4. Harsha Swamy on September 17th, 2007 10:17 am

    hey Deepak

    Sad but true, RGV needs to find himself. This post is truly personal and I am sure many people will understand what you are trying to tell. It’s not about your favourite RGV movie but the impact RGV had with his movies on a personal level.Sorry for this long reply but you touched an emotional chord.

    I remember the last day of my 10th exam, It was the geography paper and 15 of us decided to watch “Shiva” after the exam. After all, we had finished school and wanted to enjoy every bit of our new found freedom.We cycled madly towards “Prasanna Theatre”(I am in Bangalore BTW) and got into the theatre.
    Coming from a high Academic oriented family (Read bookworms, rank students etc)I was expected to score within the top 20 for the state that year, but what my parents didn’t know was my interest in movies was slightly going out of control. Coming to the point that you made about Shiva being a major factor in your life, it’s the same here.

    SHIVA was a catalyst, it was mind blowing, I mean I was watching it show after show ( saw it everyday for the next 8 days).

    Then everything changed and I decided to study less so that I could get more time to watch movies.My PFC got ignited and I decided to take this very seriously.My academic high ended that year and sadly my respect for RGV ended this year with AAG and DARLING.

    I hope that he will comeback strongly as he has done in the past and entertain us with some real stories. Good post Deepak and hope he reads it.

    BTW , Sunny - watch Kshana Kshanam and you will realise the utter stupidity of Daud.

  5. Deven Rajpal on September 17th, 2007 10:53 am

    I just don’t understand why do you all guys have to hero-worship directors so much that you feel shaken about your own identity, purpose and your goal-when they falter? If you want to be a filmmaker -then think like a filmmaker not like some stupid awestruck fan. Have some strength within you. Persoanlly spealking I never thought of Ramu as a great director ever…he was always a terrific technician…extremely good at execution…he has been able to make great films only because he was lucky to have got great scripts….and some real talented people with him..he was never familiar / comfortable with Hindi language and thus always use to rely on technical wizardry of shot taking and toehr similar stuff to bowl over his audience..He was a smart man….but now even those tricks have gone stale…there is no cinema! He made SHIVA….before that he used to run a video libary- so I doubt howmuch of shiva has his own creation, He made Rangeela -for that credit has to go to Neeraj Vohra, Sanjay Chhel and Aamir Khan…Later they fell out. He made Satya..for which credit cannot be denied to Anuraag and Saurabh Shukla…then he made Kaun for which again Anuraag was there in his team….bas..that’s all he has made only four great films…a man with no understanding of Hindi language managed to be associated with these four greats purely because he was able to put a good team together and execute them brilliantly…Name any other film which he did as well as these four without his team…Not a single you’ll really be able to recall…He made extraordinary films when he was given an extraordinary scripts…but could not churn out extraordinary films out of orinary / poorly crafted scripts…with every ordinary script he has only fallen further…He lost it because he stopped being honest…he was full of himself…had become extremely arogant….he wuld believe in not paying people and insulting anyone and everyone…why do you think so many peiople left him / have fallen out with him…he just could not retain any talented actor / technicians with himself…he never respected others…a man who does not understand and value emotions…what do you expect him to be..and do? STOP THIS BLIND HERO-WORSHIP AND SHAKE YOURSELF OUT OF THIS STUPOR…If you think…Ramu is capable of making great films and is not making then YOU go and make them…don’t worship him here!

  6. Panini on September 17th, 2007 11:04 am

    But there is a lot of ‘blind worship’ going on here - on this very blog. It is blatant and unabashed and it is dangerous. And, to state the not so unobvious, it is not about RGV one way or the other.

  7. Machchar on September 17th, 2007 11:57 am

    Arjun (1985) - Egg

    Shiva (1989) - Chicken

    Okay…Which came first…the egg or the chicken? What do people like more? Egg or Chicken?

  8. turrtle on September 17th, 2007 12:00 pm

    @Deven … Now really !!

    1. He made SHIVA

  9. Vivek on September 17th, 2007 12:23 pm

    This is it. This is the real deal, the real man, he has nowhere else to go and nowhere else to run. One bad product can be a fluke, a series of consitent bad one’s…to me…that is who/what you are….or have become…

  10. turrtle on September 17th, 2007 12:29 pm

    have become ..

  11. wb on September 17th, 2007 12:31 pm

    Panini - Can you please elaborate on your comment?

  12. Rishi Prasad on September 17th, 2007 12:53 pm

    much as i agree with everyone who hated aag, i have another thought running through my mind. ramu is going to come back bigger and stronger. no director in the history of indian cinema has been abused as much as he has been post aag-and not all of that hysteria is justified either quite frankly. sure it was a fucked up film but mumbai specialises in making a couple of hundred fucked up films every year. but yes, it was about cutting the man down to size. he had got too big and didnt play by the rules. all very valid point too i suppose. but my point is-ramus got a point to prove and my gut feeling is-he’s going to do it. hes not a fluke. just a brilliant guy who seriously lost the plot. and its just a matter of putting the pieces back in the mix again. once he does that he’s going to come back and show the world the character and caliber of the real (and presently in hiding) ramu.

  13. Vivek on September 17th, 2007 1:00 pm

    then taking that argument another way (if he comes up with something huge), I would call it the “Abhishek Bachchan effect”…after 38 tries, anyone can come out with something big.

    To me the problem is one of “hero worshipping” or making someone larger than life, be it RGV, Shekhar, Raj Kapoor, Francis Ford, De Niro….nobody is god…all go and get up and step behind the camera and then come back home. regular people doing their jobs..some having good days some bad…evaluate them on a day to day basis…and you respect them….put them on a god like pedestial…then they will either be “god” or “bad” with nothing inbetween!!!

  14. turrtle on September 17th, 2007 1:07 pm

    I have this feeling, I dont know why ..
    Ramu-G “will not come back” - his glory days are over.

    Maybe a few decent movies in between, but nothing more, nothing less. :((

  15. Varun on September 17th, 2007 1:35 pm

    If there is no RGV there is no SHIVA, RANGEELA,SATYA,KAUN or DAUD…..

    @Machhar dude how can you comeup with such analogies ?

  16. Vijay on September 17th, 2007 1:55 pm

    Amitabh Bachchan is the undoing of RGV as we knew him.

    RGV ended up making good movies because he respected characters, he respected story, he respected the audience’s intelligence. He dared to do so, didn’t give a shit about stars, took risks. But they paid off because he had good stories to tell. He had good writers. He dared to make a big film like Satya without stars. He dared to follow it up with a tiny film like Kaun, set in one house with 3 characters.

    After the success of Company, I think he got star struck. His idol - Amitabh Bachchan was willing to show up in anything he made. Slowly, RGV seems to have started living out his fantasies like seeing Bachchan play Godfather and so on. He turned into a genre filmmaker. If a genre excited him, he takes a star and makes a movie. Its all form. There is no more respect for characters, for the story, for his writers. Sad.

  17. kishan on September 17th, 2007 2:06 pm

    Deepak
    I see me in you. I almost feel blessed for being born in this era and watching Shiva for the first time when I was 12. Had I watched it when I was 25, I am not sure if I would have still followed RGV’s cinema..

    I used to be under the impression that I was his biggest fan as I never missed any of this interviews, movies and updates of any sort. Thanks to the internet, I find so many like minded people…

    Of all his bad movies, I was speechless after watching Shiva 2006…It was a big big surprise and right from the start..the movie was only going downhill..and that raised my doubts on his AAG…
    I think I sort of knew that AAG was going to suck big time and so..I was not surprised when I watched it.. AAG is definetly bad but on any given day it is certainly better than any of YRF cinema we get to see…

    I hope ramu gives up his obsession with wierd camera angles …and unlike most of the PFC members..I did not find the soundtrack of AAG annoying…it kind of fits in the atmosphere that RGV created for AAG..

  18. anand on September 17th, 2007 3:56 pm

    darling is much much better than AAG, SHIVA’06…so hopes r still alive…

  19. Vijay on September 17th, 2007 4:55 pm

    I found Darling to be unbearable. Walked out in the interval because of how amateurish it was. I have seen videos on YouTube that are better directed than that film. RGVs cinema has gone so bad that people are willing to appreciate even a film like Darling which is perhaps marginally better than some of his other debacles…but a sorry excuse for a film nonetheless. Ramu has essentially lost what was his biggest asset - good writers. Until and unless he invests in talented people who can create good scripts for him instead of looking to existing films for scripts, we will never get back the old RGV.

  20. Jwalant on September 17th, 2007 9:27 pm

    Vijay,
    Amitabh Bachchan is undoing of many directors not only RGV. Problem is he is such a fantastic personality that directors neglect other aspects of film making and try to focus only on him. Finally the film gets screwed.

  21. Vasan Bala on September 17th, 2007 9:54 pm

    after Anurag Kashyap and Jaideep Sahni………and maybe Manish Gupta to an extent no one recollects who writes his films anymore……..cause no one writes there anymore….films are not written anymore….there can be no good cinema without good writing…..

  22. Machchar on September 17th, 2007 9:58 pm

    Well, people literally shot me to pieces when I said the same thing but much more directly…HAHA! bhailog, I don’t have the intellectual expertise to use words cleverly and say things as it is….

    The same thing what I said is now reflected by the Media (YES, news channels carried a report on this recently that RGV does not work anymore as his star writers left him).

  23. Deven Rajpal on September 17th, 2007 10:10 pm

    Our system is so screwed and fucked up that we have to depend on Stars to get our project rolling and these so called Stars have no understanding about cinema / script or filmmaking…those who have a bit of sense actually do not rush into doing any film…like Amair or Shahrukh or may be now Saif…barring them whether it is Amitabh Bachchan, Salman Khan, Sunjay Dutt, Sunny Deol, Akshay Kumar even Hrithik Roshan do not know on what basis to select a film…thus opt for people with whom they feel safe and secured /comfortable…in other words people who have been good at chamchagiri and have hung around them for long whch qualifies them as filmmakers..so for this RGV debacle Amitabh Bachhan is equally responsible. Had he said ‘no’ to Ramu…the film would have never got made…and Ramu could have survived.

    And as far as turtle reacting to my earlier mail…I would not like to say anything further except that he needs to remove the blindfold over his heroworshiping and get real with Ramu and the film industry…then he will know what I am talking about…

    As far as Anurag saying that Satya’s script was thrown in the dustbin and rewritten when the shoot started…it doesn’t mean a fresh 100% original script was re-written by Ramu and them and then a cult classic was born…You do not have to believe Anuraag everything he says unless and untill you just want to stay in this fan club in enternity…

    One thing I defintely admit and appreciate that Ramu operated like Al-Queda when rest of the industry was behaving like America…making run of the mill stuff…

  24. aj on September 17th, 2007 10:30 pm

    turtle i have the samefeeling … i dont think we will see any exceptional movie from RGV ever , he has exhausted himself.

  25. Machchar on September 17th, 2007 11:10 pm

    Well, In spite of my mind telling me that Ramu has exhausted himself, my heart really wants him to come back with a bang.

    But before that, Ramu has to do a few things…

    1. Kick out Nisha Kothari.
    2. Shut down factory permanently.
    3. Fire all the hi-funda MBA’s surrounding him and his relatives from Andhra.
    4. Go to Hyderabad, take a small apartment in Barkatpura and stay there for a month and do nothing, just go for walks and meet friends and hang around with them at the local playground or the Irani Cafe.
    5. After one month, go on a holiday to Italy…South of Italy, and use the free time to think about new and exciting concepts.
    6. Come back to Mumbai, take a small one bedroom office in Oshiwara and employ a totally young team.

  26. Panini on September 18th, 2007 12:51 am

    Dear WB,

    You asked : “Panini - Can you please elaborate on your comment?”

    I tried PFC for a day. A few things were exciting but for most part it was a huge ego trip. In other words Passion for Cinema comes across as a narcissistically driven Passion for the Self. This whole debate and consequent anxiety about what Khalid Mohammed writes about AK or how Sakshi pans him is reflective of infantile disorder in purely clinical terms. This is indeed worrisome.

    Just as RGV is capable - and he did not have to do much to earn this capacity - of becoming suddenly(?) inane, so are the other reigning demi-gods. Indian cinema has always thrown up the wider idea of a ‘family’ in lieu of a nucleus family. Guru Dutt, for instance, is precious nothing without Sahir, SD, Abrar Alvi, Mohammed Rafi, VK Murthy… This idea of such a ‘family’ is built into the very notion of indian cinema and keeps recurring. RGV with AK and Saurabh Shukla and the rebels of NK’s Act One is one such recurrence. AK has still not been able to forge such a combination. I’m afraid his tie up with Piyush Mishra didn’t quite work in BF - which is by any reckoning a great effort. I remain completely cold to his work with Navdeep. In fact I would go a step further and say that the signs of decline are unmistakably in evidence. And I am not saying this like Khalid for I hardly have any axe to grind.

  27. DPac on September 18th, 2007 1:56 am

    Well said Panini…
    this is exactly what PFC stands for. both converging and diverging views within a wide spectrum called cinema.

    but i think you are judging this space pretty hastely, with just a day of browsing and that too focussing on one particular post.
    so cant really agree with your views.
    this is at the end of everything primarily a blogging platform. if you can understand that and the term blogging you might not have been so full on with such an indictment

  28. wb on September 18th, 2007 5:05 am

    Dear Panini,

    Thank you for your response. I appreciate your erudite and honest feedback.

    That said, with all due respect, I reckon you spoke too soon.

    PFC is just a hangout place for some *open-minded* people like us to get together, share our views, exchange ideas, and most importantly, freely voice our opinion - as long as we acknowledge our conformance to decorum. And over a period of time, the frequent visitors (writers, non-writers) become friends - or, in your words, *family*.

    What you are seeing here is that affinity - we are not clones, or mini-me’s, or yes men - and PFC is not a *Anurag worship* site as you infer.

    1. Did you notice that Anurag’s Paanch was thrashed in our reviews?
    2. Did you read the multiple *non-complacent* views expressed on his Black Friday?
    3. Have you read all the posts where PFC vocally censured/highlighted many an issue (Monica Bedi’s, Gitanjali Nagpal’s, etc)?

    I am not qualified to either predict or comment about the alleged decline. I’ll leave that to the experts. But I just can’t resist mentioning that Anurag was the first person to respond to *Save Namdeo* call - in a forum which has tens of thousands of unique user sessions at any given instance, and attracts more than a million views in any given month. Enough said.

    And please make no mistake - No Smoking (or Gulal for that matter), if it fails to deliver, will be admonished by the same folks who today are vociferously defending (case in point) Anurag’s basic right to be and let be.

    Peace.

  29. turrtle on September 18th, 2007 6:47 am

    Well Said wb.

    @Deven - Did I write “Jai RGV” or “RGV is god” .. or some such ? Nope.
    Read what I wrote again. And again. Hope you get the point this time.

    :-??

  30. Harsha Swamy on September 18th, 2007 9:25 am

    Devan

    Let me correct you.
    1. We do not “hero worship” RGV.
    2. Shiva had a great impact on me and I am sure there are others who were stunned by watching the movie.
    3. Your video Library comment is hardly worth arguing about.
    4. He executes good scripts very well and thats why we love him.
    5. We loved Satya and we know Anurag wrote the script. That does not take away anything from RGV.

    Finally, I am a struggling Filmmaker down south who quit a very high paying career to pursue a dream. Don’t assume that everyone who logs on to this site are blind fans of some director or writer. We respect them , we don’t worship them.

    I think Deepak’s appeal to RGV was to start making movies the way he used to and as audience we want to be entertained.

  31. Deepak Vekateshan on September 18th, 2007 9:44 am

    Hello All,

    Guys get a grip. The post is about films and not about Me. Its a commentary and nothing else

    I am somewhat saddened by all the remarks I see in this note. Its not because they are remarks both negative and nasty but simply because not many have really understood the passion of cinema.

    I was particulary affected by Deven Rajpal. This comments are an addition to the earlier post.

    If I or anyone like a movie, We like it for various reasons but that does not mean we do not appreciate the makers of that cinema. This appreciation is not IDOL Worshipping but more like “Shit, I wish I could think or do it”. This is something every aspiring filmmaker should have and if he does not even have this strain then how the hell can he be called a filmmaker.

    This forum is more of one upmanship rather than really about cinema. Stop trying to write messages if you have not read the post completely and please do not use the anonymity of the blog system to be a lout or loudmouth. This is at the best an opinion and for a guy who likes cinema it is really difficult to see NO LOVE LOST for Cinema but rather more love for oneself on this forum.

    I still feel even after reading all this comments that Ramu has some really amazing talent. I am not sure how many of the people who so blatantly call themselvels filmmakers on this forum have actually handled a camera or even been part of a crew. Its hard and really difficult work. This is easy to talk about but efinitely difficult to achieve and I feel nonplussed when I see really low comments about the whole process of filmmaking. I feel actually overawed as I feel I am surrounded by Kieslowski, Scorses, Coppola, Bergman as this sort of comments Could have been done by people like that although am not sure if they would also do that.

    I can see a lot of sense in what some of the comments from Turtle, Kishen & Harsha. I had thought PFC was a place where we cribbed or moaned but talked about our love for cinema. Sadly this is another Website where we do the oldest trick in the world of Self-Propogation and nothing else.

    My mailbox is about 2.5 GB free and so am waiting for all those further irrevereent/nasty/chalta hai/self propagation replies to this comment also.

    Thanks & Good Night, Deepak

  32. Phoenixnu on September 18th, 2007 10:18 am

    @Deepak…compltly relate to ur post. have gone thru the same cycle. RGV n his films made me belive in so many thing lieku n other hav written here.

    @Deven…oh dear dear dear. they r heroes n i belive in hero-worship. shouting from the roof top that he/she is my hero. give the man his due. if 4 nothing then…u know what,u need enormous talent just to spot talent!!! n that man has balls to tell his stories n with so many new guys. n he is the only producer who gave break to some 20-22 directors in one-two years. now we r all talking about anurag,jaideep, shimit,shriram n so many others. atleast give him credit 4 giving break to all those. n these r just few names. really ur comment made me laungh n angry so much.

  33. Phoenixnu on September 18th, 2007 10:24 am

    @panini….no doubt we r biased. no doubt there is lot of blind worshipping going on. no doubt we r not holier than thou. but we r trying n trying hard…n i know that very well. but u know that,pfc is still lifeline for many like us. those who wud otherise would hav never gt a chnace to interact with filmmkaers directly. not going commercial,putting money from ur pocket n sustaining it somehow…no,not many know about this.so, if u dont like our space u r free to move to any other place in the big blogosphere n find ur corner. but hum to aise hain bhaiyya…..n btw, hav u tried clicking that “donate” button once in a while…..

  34. Panini on September 18th, 2007 10:38 am

    Dear Phoenixnu,

    Thanks for reminding that it is ‘our space’ and thanks for giving me the ‘freedom to move to any other space’. It is chillingly reminiscent of Balasaheb and Hridaysmrat Narendra Modi. Brilliant!

  35. Pratik on September 18th, 2007 10:41 am

    (relating to this post)
    It’s popular opinion now that RGV needs to re-think about the way movies are made. Yeh koi nayee baat nahin hai. Aur sab unka bhala chaahta hain ke woh achhi filmein banaaye (is mein sabka bhala hai). And I’m sure if RGV is even a little sensitive to his audience, he will get his act together; any sensible person, let alone director, would.

    (and about PFC)
    I don’t know if PFC is the forum for Anurag Kashyap’s yes-men; I wouldn’t know - I love reading the posts here, but not as often as I’d like. From what I have read so far, there’s a whole range of ideas, opinions and knowledge posted out here. As far as its contribution to cinema is concerned, it’s more pronounced than is visible. Take for example PFCOne. I think it’s a great initiative and will give the winners a chance to interact with the filmmakers on this blog. The fact that people talk about cinema (and tons of other topics, some so trivial that they evoke humor) makes it worth its existence.

  36. Phoenixnu on September 18th, 2007 10:49 am

    @dearest panini…yes, it depnds on how u take it. today i have atleast 20 frinds whom i can count among my best friends n we know each other only bcz of pfc. some i still havent met but know them by their voice only. we made it “our” from being an outsider. n the tribe keeps on incrasing…zara samjhne ki to koshish karo…talwar lekar shabdoon ki khaal na nikaloon…hope n just hope that u hav reda the whole comment..start to finish instaed of those fwe words n balasaheb n mr modi….m in great compnay….

  37. Tushar on September 18th, 2007 10:55 am

    @Panini, I would second phoenixnu when he says PFC is a lifeline for many of us. and I am not hinting at any ‘us vs them’ here. its an independent forum receptive to all voices. just that when someone loves a thing so much, he grows a tad possessive about it, and same might be case with us. no offences meant mate.

  38. Will the real RGV please stand up ? on September 18th, 2007 9:02 pm

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  39. Deven Rajpal on September 18th, 2007 9:46 pm

    Dear Deepak, Turtle and all other friends,
    Let me tell you that even at one point of time I was also a die-hard fan to Ramu till Satya. I too was extremely impressed with his Shiva

  40. Arijit on September 18th, 2007 9:58 pm

    I saw RGV ki “Aag” sometime last week (I would like to forget when ;) And I saw “Darling” yesterday. “Darling” is one of the most uniquely made films this year. Though it can also be called a tribute to an earlier Hollywood film/play the treatment was very different. RGV has managed to give a new treatment to the horror movie genre. And the ending was quite smart — he has kept the ending open to multiple interpretations.

    My point of writing all this stems from the comments that have been posted above on the apparent dosing down of RGV flame for movie making. Some bad movies donot unmake a genius. Most of the world famous directors have gone through a patch where they have made some very average/terrible movies. Look at Tarantino — “Kill Bill” was a work of genius, however, “Kill Bill2″ was quite average. In fact more often than not churning out average fare is a hallmark of genius if I daresay ;)

    Anyways, for those who have started doubting RGV’s flame (or no flame) please go and see “Darling” — either you will love it or you will hate it…

  41. The Narcisist on October 2nd, 2007 6:52 am

    I somehow admired RGV for his courage to persist with experimenting in spite of repeated failures. But post Company, he doesn’t seem to be taking his failures as learning experiences.

    I’ve heard from industry sources that he’s a megalomaniac and wears those tendencies on his sleeve. Is that true? If it is, I’m not surprised with one dud after another coming out of his stable.

  42. ashwin on October 2nd, 2007 8:15 am

    @deven

    to call mani rathnam an overhyped filmmaker and give the entire credit of satya to AK is probably next only to murder…….

    dude….
    aamir the actor has given innumerable duds and so has the Screenwriter AK(no offence meant to u AK i too hero worship u)…not to mention Surabh Shukla’s 2 disastrous directorial attempts….

    now i agree that knowledge of language is important..
    but i definitely think that the other directors we have today are marginally better than RGV when it comes to Hindi….No one dares to give an interview in Hindi..and even if they do speak…
    its wat we call the bambaiyya hindi

    every director depends on his/her writer for the language….
    So dont single out Ramu…
    if u have seen Babel ..the best story of the lot is the one set in Morocco( abt the two kids)…
    mind u the director has got nothing to do with morocco..he is mexican….

    everyone has the right to condemn the megalomaniacal and idiotic stuff he churns out of his factory off late..similarly
    no one can deny the fact that the guy is extremely talented

    p.s @ Deven : i wud like to quote a fellow PFCian here….” use of capslock is equivalent to shouting on pfc.”
    lolz no offence meant..

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