A bullet can’t pierce the human body.
It’s a lie and you don’t believe in it.
Be the witness to this amazing phenomenon.
The birth of Iron men in the hindi cinema after mid 80s became one of the major reasons behind the sudden decline in the quality of majority of hindi films.
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this is the clip from kanti shah’s cult classic LOHA.
if u readers wanna watch more funny movie buy ur self a dvd of gunda starring mithun(cult movie)
p.s:-a humble request to oz please we are missing torture series please write a review on gunda…plz man
Gunda – A torture?? I guess you are the first person to say that.. Man, it was fun watching gunda…
@Azad,
Fun watching can make a film good?
As far as motion picture mode is concerned, watcher may have fun through several things and they may satisfy his consumer needs, but can these objects/subjects be said as good?
P.s- I have not seen Gunda. I somehow saw dalaal and it was like fulfilling the condition, ganga nahana and after that I could not gather any courage to watch any Mithun Chakravorty film in that genere. Occasionally got to see ads of his films on TV and they were enough to suggest to keep a distance from his films in 90s.
Though watched all his off beat efforts in Hindi and Bangla cinema.
@azad
gunda was fun i really enjoyed it that rhyming dialogues………
but i guess oz may find it torture
@RK
I won’t say that I liked GUNDA or that it is a good movie, but I would definitely say that I had a ball watching that movie. It was definitely not a torture for me. In fact, the pleasure that it gave me can be compared to the pleasure that I derive while watching some of my favorites. I will not be able to stand the second viewing of gunda, though.
Thanks to Kushal for Sahring this gem.
Gunda is a movie which should be watched by every self respecting moviebuff.
I have watched it thrice till now. Let me make a point when in morning your are trying to catch a fast local from dombagaon, you can think about the gUNDA AND FORGET ALL THE PAINS YOU HAVE TO UNDERGO TO CATCH A LOCAL TRAIN.
@cinemahauser,
“Gunda is a movie which should be watched by every self respecting moviebuff”.
Many people will die without enjyoing this self respect
In three hours one can watch Mrigaya, again and perhaps 1.5 times, and die as a satisfied audience having watched a good performance by a very good actor.
No?
Once I started watching Gunda and tried hard to enjoy it but I must agree that it was sheer torture. I can’t believe how it is so popular. The scenes were jumping randomly from one locale to another, mostly near a harbor. People always say about the rhyming dialogue. Well, they weren’t rhyming in many parts and those rhyming parts any 10 year old kid would have written. I couldn’t watch the end due to some reasons so don’t know how it ends but I’m not interested either. People told me that I watched it alone so couldn’t enjoy it and it is a fun movie in the company of friends…may be I don’t know.
I’d also like to say that I am not someone who hates Mithunda or a snob. I am a fan of Mithunda and I was eagerly searching for a Mithunda movie Paap Ki Kamaaee at the local stores but couldn’t get it.
Gunda is a classic, for sure
I watched Paap Ki Kamaee one afternoon on Doordarshan after coming back from school. Kulbhushan Kharbanda was a Mogambo type villain. The climax song was in his den. Hilarious – “Deva aaya hai…” x 3
@ Kenny
Looks like you watched the movie on a Tuesday afternoon. I’ve also watched many movies on Tuesdays after coming back from school :D
I also watched the movie Paap Ki Kamaaee on DD only and enjoyed it a lot as a kid. I wanted to watch it again, only remembered the storyline and forgot the name of the movie, so I posted this exact question on imdb boards
“I am looking for a movie i remember watching as a kid. Mithun had a double role it it, one was of criminal and the another was of Inspector. The Inspector is killed in the movie and the police department sends the criminal Mithun (who was imprisoned) as the Inspector. At last the suspense was that the inspector was not killed. Perhaps the name of the criminal Mithun was Deva. ”
I recently came to know that the name of the movie was Paap ki Kamaaee. :D
Kenny,Jahanpanah- well I’ve also seen Paap Ki Kamaai,Kala Sona and many more classics on tuesday afternoons.When the tuesday afternoon movie slot on D.D was started my classes in school used to be from 7.30 a.m to 12.30 a.m & so it was very convenient for me to watch the movies.Remember even watching Disco Dancer in that slot.Yes Kenny I remeber the ” deva aaya hai” *3 song lol it was hilarious
@Setumadhavan,
“my classes in school used to be from 7.30 a.m to 12.30 a.m & so it was very convenient for me to watch the movies”.
When did you watch movies then and when did you get time to sleep if your school was taking away these many hours.?
Good question Rk sir. :D
When DD used to telecast those movies fortunately I was in a public school. Later I moved to a sarkari school where usual timings used to be from 10 AM to 4 PM but by then DD had stopped telecasting movies on Tuesdays. :D
I have watched movies like Safed Haathi etc. on one of those Tuesday afternoons only.
One more movie I remember where Jeetendra plays the role of secret agent and uses James Bond type gadgets, could anyone tell me the name, I think it was Aakhiri Dao but I am not sure.
What years are you guys talking about? I dont remember DD showing movies on Tuesday afternoons..my school timings too were 7:30-1:30…i am talking passing 10th in 94…am i too old?
The first 25 minutes of gunda is amazing…till Lambu Atta’s death….just like the way they look into the camera and introduce themselves…
@OM
When I was a kid, DD used to telecast movies on tuesday afternoons. It was the era just before Shanti and all those crap took over the DD afternoons. Some of the classics that I remember having watched on tuesday afternooons are Golmaal and QATL. I had many more chances to watch Golmaal, but I have never been able to watch Qatl again. How much I loved that movie!!!! Even today, I remember almost each and every frame of the movie.
On a side note, can any of you tell me where can I buy the DVDs of Qatl, preferably online.
Jahanpanah @ 15: the jeetendra movie u r talking abt must be Bond 303.
@RK
I agree Mirgaya was a great movie, but i surely feel had not been mithun, Gunda would have been worth a watch because of Mithun.
Rk- my bad, it should have been 7.30 a.m- 12.30 p.m so basically 5 hours in school.
No OM- you aren’t old @ all.The tuesday afternoon slot for movies in D.D used to be around 1992-94 as far as I remember.
@RK Its funny…but What do you say of things like, hero and heroine breaking into a song-dance sequence in Australia or the villian raping the heroine with trousers on….All this was nonsense…not only from 80’s and Iron man…Hindi cinema degraded long ago…it has never recovered…
@Ram V,
There have been good use of songs in the hindi cinema and same is true with dance sequences. (about which you are aware). Music is part of life in India. You will not find in many other countries people humming or whistling or singing while walking on road, waiting for a bus or reading the newspaper. People all of a sudden start singing here in real life.
Its film music effect or films got inspiration from real life, its like an equation between hen and egg, which came first.
Have seen very old people in remote villages who had never watched any film, had not listened radio etc, and they used to sing in a very natural manner on various occasions. Music is part of life in India.
How to use it in a better way is dependent on the wisdom of a director and his team.
Some stories may demand the music and it will not affect the watching rather it will increase the impact and in some stories songs and dance sequences are not needed. Form also, in which songs will be used, is dependent on director’s vision.
For example excellent use of Chupke chupke in Nikah or hamne dekhi hain in Khamoshi.
There are thousands of examples of good use of music. Music (Songs) has been used to create an atmosphere and if its done wisely, its not a problem. Music is theraputic also.
Films are false things in their very nature. They are trying to create an illusion so that audiences are lost in the motion format of story for some hours. Whatever effectively can be used is wisdom of the maker.
PC Sarkar Sr might have used different ways to bind the attention of his audiences and Anand and PCS Jr may have different methods to acheive same kind of goal. We cant say one’s methods were necessary and methods of other’s are not. Their purpose is same.
Ofcourse there are bad use of songs and dances and such bad uses have been degrading cinema. No denial in it.
….
What do you mean by raping with trouser on?
Should villain actually rape the heroine?
What do you think: in every second hollywood film having intercourse scenes, actors are actually mating in real sense?
Hollywood’s female characters (on screen) are fertility proof? never they or their men use any kind of contraceptives and they never get pregenant even though instant sex, which was not decided earliar, is always used there . Same is true with films of Europian cinema etc.
One has to see what is working for a story/film.
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Cant say whole of hindi cinema was degraded long ago as good films were produced in every era and market had not diminished the spirit of good filmmakers as it did in the period after mid 80s. There was no degradation in the films of good filmmakers in earlier decades and whenever they wanted they made good films. But this era made absolute scarcity of good films and good films made in 15-20 years after 1985 can be counted on the fingers of two hands of a man.
India is not a homogenous country and in such a hetrogenous culture, it can not be expected that only a particular type of films are good and only they should be made.
Two can not fight over what is better lavni or nautanki or jatra? and Bharatnatyam is superior than kathak and kathakali and Ghazal singing is better than devotional singing.
or playing Sitar is far superior than tabla playing.
It does not happen.
Its not a country of single religion so that all the directors can think in same terms and only they have to think different stories and characters will follow similar religious trends.
Such diversity makes India a unique country.
There is no place for pessimism in such a situation.
relatively better films have been made in recent times and as everybody wants improvement and hence their makers will make much better films in future.
Ups and downs cant be avoided in our country. Its not following a single model. Its economy is an un even economy and hence people are living at different levels of social, political and economical levels and education levels are also different, their understanding is different. There has to be a friction among people and their understandings. and art cant escape from this situation. Its also producing un even products. but occasionally good products come out which can be said as universally good.
@Rk…uh oh…its good thing that you are defending what has been done…good musicals are fine…I have no qualms..but ninety percent are bad..(90% is just a thumb rule, dont argue with me on that…please…if you wish you can bring it down to 80, 70 or 60 as per your taste) but the whole point I wanted to make was that, most of the stuff is nonsense
I am not vouching for hollywood..it has its own issue..I was just pointing out the shortcomings of Hindi cinema and would not want to digress…
Raping was just a despicable stereotype that was trivialized by hindi cinema, that Prem Chopra, Ranjit and the likes were good at, don’t dig into it. I dont insist villians should rape heroine or neither do I glorify the act, but if they do, it should be without pants else it is similar to ‘Bullet not piercing the body of Iron Man’ and trivializes the impact or effect on the victim…Just watch ‘Irrevesible’ by Gaspar Noe , it shows the travails and torture of rape.
I agree on your economic theory, audience of cinema may be less educated, but film makers are not…they should be more careful…
I just said the same thing that you have said…but in my words which is ‘The film production in this nation is uneven, and heavily titled towards lack of sensitivity, sensibility, mediocrity and nonsense’
@Ram V,
I am not defending any bad area or weakness but at same time I cant reject whole cine making in India. What was good, w’d remain good. What was bad w’d remain bad.
Thats your prerogative to accept or create any theory. If you think 90% have been bad. Its your own thinking. You will be saying it as per your observation and on the basis of what is good and bad in your eyes. It is justified or not, may entirely be a different matter altogether.
Re: Rape , its up to filmmaker how he makes it as an effective part of whole visual narration. I am unable to understand one thing that how can you impose today’s understandings and censor board’s liberties on old films?
Yes there have been stupid scenes in many weak films where hero reaches at the place where villain is trying to rape the heroine and hero and villains start fighting and in between whenever villain gets an opportunity he again tries to rape the heroine and which is totally against the biological facts of a male body, which cant function if attention is divided in to multiple directions:)
but are we making such stupid films as representatives of cinema?
It may not be true that whole world accepts Irreversible’s rape scene and is moved by the scene, many have never been moved by that film and by that particular scene the way they were moved by Bandit queen.
I have witnessed people leaving the cushion of the seats and leaning forward while rape scene of Bandit Queen was passing through the screen. Scene had moved heavily the sensitivity of the people.
Some were moved by Premrog’s sequence showing Padmini Kolhapure’s condition after getting raped. It all depends on the impressive take of a director in a film and how things are connected with other parts of the fim and what is the over treatment of the film..
There can be different ways to show a rape attempt as Bimal Roy had shown in Madhumati or Chetan Anand showed a rape in Kudrat.
Irreversible’s scene cant be a role model to degrade other films which have not used such an open scene. Its made in a different society where norms are different and hence sensitivities are different. A different director may make similar or may be more impressive impact without going in to such a detailed rape scene.
When you accept theory of unevenness then I am not sure you can use lines like “‘The film production in this nation is uneven, and heavily titled towards lack of sensitivity, sensibility, mediocrity and nonsense’”
Weak films, yes. But entire film production in this nation is mediocre and nonsense, such hypothesis can not be accepted by any open minded audience.
Films can be weak in few departments but are they absolutely nonsense?
I dont see any resemblance in our thinking or thoughts.
I am not able to call whole cine making in India as nonsense. It has shortcomings but it has its positive sides also. Few general things can be compared with other countries but few things are always country and culture specific and they can not be compared and hence there we cant say their cinema is good or bad and our cinema is good or bad (in comparison).
One sided and that too such a harsh opinion is not justified. It may be accepted as individual’s opinion but it is hardly based on facts.
Cinema on an average may be average or just above average and films may not be evenly good in every sectors but good things are also happening in some areas.
Have you tried cinema in all the languages of India?
Its seen that knowledge does not bring ultimate pessimism. Balanced analysis cant allow such a state of disillusionment. One may be disappointed with the makers and other affairs but films may have some/many good things and as an ardent watcher of cinema one has to praise good also while criticizing the bad things.it cant happen that only bad is happening all over.
Because if its not done then its an act to demoralize the good and promising filmmakers.
and when one has reached at that stage of disillusionment then one may lose intererest in the cinema as such or in a particular segment of cinema. One may come out from the impact of cinema.
If one is not coming out and writing on it then he is finding something feasible else he would not have written about it. if only bad is happening why would one waste his time on such a field?
and another thing: do you make comments on posts devoted to good films? why views always are devoted only to criticize something in Indian cinema?
Why not writing on good films (may belong to any place in the world) which you have been liking.
i agree with Ram v views
@Satyendra Jha
Thank you sirjee.
@Rk sir
“Yes there have been stupid scenes in many weak films where hero reaches at the place where villain is trying to rape the heroine and hero and villains start fighting and in between whenever villain gets an opportunity he again tries to rape the heroine and which is totally against the biological facts of a male body, which cant function if attention is divided in to multiple directions:)”
I’m laughing my guts out :D
@Rk…my views are intended at improving Indian cinema, my love for this medium has bought me here.
If you find them repulsive…I have no issues..your wish…
Regarding my know-how..let me not vouch for myself..someone else has to do it… :-)
whenever I write, I appreciate good aspect of Indian cinema and critize the mediocre stuff
Nonsense – for me means, which does not make any sense. For me, cutting into the alpine forests of Ooty, or grassy meadows of Switzerland in various costumes, does not make sense..It gives me immense pain, seeing the money of every audience being wasted like this.
I accept that good films exist in India, but sorry the mainstream Indian Cinema, is primarily Nonsense…no two opinions for me on that…
In all my posts , I make a point to urge filmmakers to walk out to streets to look into reality and bring them onto the screen…
Are you defending? yes you are…You have every right to do it..But please donot question my know how..or analyze my state of mind..neither will I yours…we donot know each other well enough to do that…
I am making a point on the state of Hindi cinema all along..which I feel has been pathetic…It is improving…there is no other way…otherwise these big hollywood studios will eat away our business and bread…I fear that…I want Indian Cinema to stand tall, in the world arena. We have the talent, we have the ideas, we have the money, what we lack is intent, commitment and constant effort at achieving excellence
We accept mediocrity, give hundreds of reasons for that, economic, social, political, religious…I dont buy them fully…I believe I have the right to voice my opinion..for the same passion we are here for…
@Ram V,
What’s wrong per se with shots in ooty and switzerland. Is that a reason enough for a film to be bad. And is cinema all about reality. Have you ever met or heard about a gangster like Vito Corleone or a dacoit like Gabbar? Do you consider Godfather and Sholay mediocre. I dont think that just depicting reality makes a film, great. A movie must be able to relate to the audience. It must be make-believe, whether it depicts reality or not doesn’t matter at all.
Got a bit too serious :-) …this post was supposed to be fun…but it instilled this thought..especially by the closing comments on decline of Indian Cinema…what my point was that…Hindi Cinema’s decline was not in the 80’s end …it was all along the same…with a few bright spots here and there…thats it..Now also its just a tad better…but this is not what we need..we need value for money…each paise in the ticket should be spent for meaningful entertainment, if it a fun movie…it should be genuinely funny…
The idea is to invest more and reap more returens…how do you do it…If the product is good..as simple as that…If our Industry is losing 100s of crores every year, its on this mediocre cinema. If we reinvest those 100’s of crores on good, entertaining and meaningful (yes the three of them together) then the loss can be avoided…you will have more people flocking the theatres…You will hear people saying ‘ You should watch this movie in the theatre, then only it will be more interesting’…
@Azad.. I dont understand the argument on Vito Corleone or Gabbar…Godfather/Sholay…
Please watch Megha Dakhe Tara, Samskara, Virumandi, Thevar Magan, Shankara bharanam, Thoovana thumbikal, Bharatham, Amaram, Vadakkan Veeragatha, Nagarahaavu, Shwaas, Unishe April, Ramji Rao Speaking, Thaniyavarthanam, Aparajito, Jab We Met ( or even better Socha Na Tha), Vedam Puthithu…these are all successful movies..but they had some content in it…Then you would realize why I despise these movies which we watch and forget as ‘Time Pass’…
@Ram
I dont think I threw a puzzle at you :-o
It was tad simple. What I wanted to ask was the connection between reality and cinema. Is cinema all about depicting reality?? For me, a cinema works if I am able to relate to it. Reality or fiction or imagination or whatever, doesn’t matter to me.
@Azad…As I see it there are two things we are mixing up here . One is the issue of -like and dont like, which is personal. Depending upon our taste, developed sensitivites and choice, we somehow end up liking/disliking something. Two is the issue of -Good and Bad, now this will be decided based on analysis and not on taste or emotions. While analyzing cinema we consider certain factors, and come upon a conclusion if this is a good film or a bad film (one might not like a good film, and love a bad film, which is personal choice,and different, still the film is bad/good).
Even analysis, can be questioned, by questioning the know how of the analyst, or bias of the analyst.
What I did was an analysis…with my limited know how…everyone has a right to oppose it…what you are asking me is a question of personal liking to you or some other person(which may be a large part of audience)…which I would not be able to comment upon..
You dontot care reality or fiction or imagination or whatever, you are just worried about how you get related to a film. Fine, your choice…I dare not question it…The point is if you say you like film ‘X’ I dont have the right to question it, but if you say film ‘X’ is good..I can present my argument and vice versa…thats all…
well, I dont think myself as a ultimate word on cinema and hence I dont categorize cinema as ultimate good or ultimate bad. A cinema becomes good for me, if I like it. And it becomes bad for me, if I dont like it. As simple as that. As a matter of fact, I appreciate it when people voice their opinions as opinions and not try to pass off them as the voice of god. I dont think you can ever detach your mindset while analyzing a movie. I dont think any one will ever call a movie as good, if he hasn’t liked it.
Just to give you an example, you were supportive of Jab we Met in your previous post and would like to label it as a GOOD Cinema. For me, it was a boring movie. I liked socha na tha, but jab we met was a put off for me, mainly due to kareena’s character. And heck, I even found shwaas ordinary.
@Ram V,
Indian cinema is consisted of FILMS and films are consisted of many different areas.
“Indian cinema is mediocre and nonsense” is a personal opinion and not something coming from a balanced analysis and it does not lead towards any kind of improvement in any area, leave alone cinema.
When intentions are to bring improvements then slogans don’t work but detailed reports help. or the factors with which Indian cinema is suffering on an average.
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Why Mid 80s:
Because prior to that, good directors were giving good films. Audiences had choice to select good films. Amitabh Bachchan, Rajesh Khanna, Dharmendra, Vinod Khanna, Shashi Kapoor, Shatrughan Sinha, Dev Anand, Dilip Kumar, Sanjeev Kumar, Rishi Kapoor, Naseerudin Shah, Om Puri, Amol Palekar, Farookh Sheikh, etc were able to work in good films in different genre also. Films were able to provide variety. That thing changed after mid 80s and almost similar kind of films started coming. Before Chandni, Yash Chopra had not chosen Europe to show a small city like Shahjahanpur. Shyam Benegal, Govind Nihalani, Ramesh Sippy had shifted to TV and were doing good work there. Before mid 80s, mainstream hindi cinema was able to give quality films but it could not happen post mid 80s.
If good films were made in hindi cinema then they were made in low budget sector, JBDY, YMWTN, ERHF, Mirch Masala, NDT, etc came from that sector only and many of them were released directly on TV because theaters were busy in releasing low quality films. Hindi cinema never saw control of such a low quality on its existence as it faced after this period.
Not that earliar weak films were not made but almost all good directors were able to make good films. But this liberty was lost after mid 80s.
@Azad..I respect your opinion..but according to me there are good and bad films…
@Rk…’I accept that good films exist in India, but sorry the mainstream Indian Cinema, is primarily Nonsense…’ I copied this from my earlier post…This is line I have been treading for the whole discussion.
It sounds simliar to your post except for the ‘Nonsense’ world…my comments are being edited to make a point..
Indian New Wave, never really exploded like its Eurpoean counterpart…what you are talkig about in JBDY, Mirch Masala, SLMR etc belong to that category .
JBDY was perhaps one of the most entertaining film in Indian History though.
Shouting slogans would not work…I express my opinion…If it sounds like a slogan..it must be involuntary :-)
Again the whole point I try to make is missed…I dont say good films were not made in Indian Cinema…Only a very few were made…all along…not only in the 80’s…if we take an example , like an average of 100 movies were made yearly in Hindi.. 90 of them were bad…thats all…or in other words 10 were good ( again 10 can be 30 based on ones judgement, and measurement scale). The point is that there have been 70-90 bad films every year and these have been making losses because of their quality. Thats my point..even before 80’s
@Rk ..’theatres were busy releasing bad films’…I could not agree more…there were so many of them…and they made easy money..
‘Before that good directors were giving good films’..agreed..whatever few good movies were made were by good directors.
Yash chopra’s swiss hometown.. :-) its strange that his movies were a success despite all this…His legacy continues till today…
@Ram V,
(Yash Chopra….its strange that his movies were a success despite all this…)
Because he was quite good in some areas of filmmaking. He was very good in making a suitable atmosphere around his chosen story be it Deewar or Trishul or Kabhi Kabhi or Silsila.
Europe and Shajahanpur, point was just to point out that it was done first time in any of his film.
He was very good as far as coverage of relationships was concerned.
If anybody has any doubt about his directorial talent he should watch Chandni, which is not in the league of his top five films, but still a good film on the subject on which it was made.
The scene where Rishi Kapoor, comes back from Europe after his treatment and reaches to Chandni’s home directly.
Now negative aspects are : Chandni works as asstt. of Vinod Khanna but she lives in quite a rich house.
Rishi Kapoor is coming directly from Europe and he does not know address or whereabouts of Chandni but he reaches there.
But positive thing is the power of the scene.
He rings the bell and he is quite eager to meet Chandni. she opens the door and is naturally astonished to see him.
next 5 minutes are absolutely fantastic examples of great performances by both the actors especially Sridevi who hardly says any thing and takes help of her expressions only.
Set up is more towards fantasy side but performances are real.
It depends on audience how he takes it. Pay more attention to set up and criticize the film on this basis. Accept the set up and enjoy the emotional happenings.
Certainly Yash Chopra might not have forced others to follow his line of making the films and borrowed things may create disaster. Yash Chopra’s strength lies in handling the characters and he has been able to sustain his films inspite of some over the top set ups.
If others followed him and made weak films then its not his mistake because he gave some good films.
Chopra’s exceptional abilities nothwithstanding Deewar was the worst films..filled with cliches like ‘Tattooing ‘chor’ on the hand’, two brother one a coolie who transforms into a don and another an inspector, mother sentiments…it was preachy, melodramatic and perhaps films like Waqt, Deewar, etc laid the foundation stones for making movies without any research.
Kabhi Kabhi ,Silsilay and Lamhe were poetic, they did explore human emotions but were superficial and covered only a limited range of emotions like love or at the most lust. While the nation was enduring its most difficult phase, emergency, blue star, massacre, riots everything was burning the nation, and our filmmakers were hyprocritically exploring various variety of love, fun and remakes…
Yash Chopra, was and is a businessman, not a filmmaker
@Rk…it is great that one can make sense out of the shallow emotional scene in Chandni…I dont know why would these triangular(some time quadrangular) love stories be watched again and again, when we could be happy with one Kabhi Kabhi or at the most one more Silsilay…When the whole film is mediocre, there is no point in saying scene A or scene B was illogical or good…But for an analysis..yes it was a great one…similar to the villian running out in between fight to explore his libido.. :-)
@Ram V,
(1) Many people suffer from something called searching writing in a visual film. all the things they mention are lacking of writing. If visuals work with audiences inspite of weaknesses in writing then its power of a director.
and this will be found even in many good films. Their story, screen play have weaknesses but still directors with the help of actors cover those weaknesses. Examples are many.
(2) Thats really one’s personal problem what s/he thinks about Yash Chopra or rest of the world. World will go on working in its own way. People will take birth and will work according to their talent in a given era. They w’d not worry in 1977 that one Certain Mr X Y Z w’d be awakened in 2009 to impose his/her self made theories on everything from love to existence of world
(3) so when nation was burning with blue star, riots, Engineers, teachers, elders of todays youngesters etc etc were running relief camps leaving their usual jobs and inherent talent? All people were simply doing prayers leaving every other work they had been doing before. This is almost unclear that Who gave people an idea that nation saw its most difficult phase during emergency? some guys read too much pulp fiction or journals of a particular political party?
Seriously some people have least or no idea about emotions. they are filled with words and words and words and they think they can settle every thing with the knowledge of words.
People filled with words and millions of words are sometimes advised to read about meeting of Ram Krishna Paramhansa and Keshavchandra sen. It works in some cases.
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It was a fun till now. but it may not be after this point because it may become an attempt to try to change other’s views. so This discussion is turning in to a Cul-de-sac.
See you on some other thread some other day.
cheers
ha ha…that someone will meet this somebody on some thread someday…somehow this is somewhat an interesting conclusion to something..
I loved the Avatar of 1977 and relief camps part a lot… :-)
We were born we will be dead..what we do when we are alive is that matters…
No view points changed, Nothing imposed, there is space for everyone in big, everlasting world…
Cheers to you too…
@koolraaga,
This Loha is not that old Loha (1987) which you may be having in mind. This one is from 1997.
The trend which was started after mid 80s was enjoying its peak in mid 90s.
Roots were lying in mid 80s and grown up trees were seen in 90s.